Burnley v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[GarTomas]

I love this debate. Not a pen for me. Stonewall for others. Now we know why the ref’s job is so hard. And why VAR is pointless. Just let the ref make the decision and live with it.

It’s the inconsistency that everyone hates. I’m more than good with it being the ref. So if he with his assistants don’t see it then fine. But you know that the next game that is going to VAR and they are awarding it for another team.

I think that is Lee S point - some Villa fans think it was 100% a penalty and others don’t. Inconsistency is another word for difference of opinion.

[Brend'Watkins]

We have the problem that we cannot rest players and keep consistancy, we just do not have the quality in the squad and having to play twice a week for long stretches finds us out. When you start our best players on the pitch then look at the bench there is no-one there to come on that would be equal to the player coming off. Rogers should have been rested weeks ago but who replaces him, Pau gets a rest but Mings bless him is not the same standard. We have done well to hang on all things considered.

Totally agree. Given that Emery is all for conserving energy all the conservation isn’t quite enough. If we do make CL by whatever route we will need to bring in genuine quality who hit the ground running.

[Clampy]

I reckon Antony Taylor would have ruled out Ollie's goal had VAR not been there.

[ROBBO]

Our main problem is recruitment, how much stronger would we look with JJ and Malen in the squad. I don't know who's in charge but taking other clubs left overs on loan replacing them has left us much weaker, JJs through pass yesterday was sublime for the geordies how we could do with him now. It's obvious Unai knows his stuff because all the newcomers are bench warmers. I know we are shackled by unfair conditions, it makes it even more important to get recruitment right, it seems the two clubs challenging us know how to do it.

[Somniloquism]

There is no such thing as a accidental foul, it's a foul he stood on the back of his foot no matter how slightly and if it was at Liverpool Manchesters etc he would probably be recommended to go to the screen, because it's little old Villa it's okay,

Of course there is not every foul is intentional

Well it is an accident or a foul so you can both be right. In this case they were ruling that Walker's foot was always coming down there and Buendia's foot moving after the fact. Personally I don't think this is the case. Buendia was in front of Walker and already moving his leg before Walker did so it is up to Walker not to make contact. If that isn't a penalty, half the penalties in the Prem aren't given.

[Brend'Watkins]

There is no such thing as a accidental foul, it's a foul he stood on the back of his foot no matter how slightly and if it was at Liverpool Manchesters etc he would probably be recommended to go to the screen, because it's little old Villa it's okay,

Of course there is not every foul is intentional

Well it is an accident or a foul so you can both be right. In this case they were ruling that Walker's foot was always coming down there and Buendia's foot moving after the fact. Personally I don't think this is the case. Buendia was in front of Walker and already moving his leg before Walker did so it is up to Walker not to make contact. If that isn't a penalty, half the penalties in the Prem aren't given.

Whether it’s an accident or intentional it’s a foul. Referees haven’t got the ability to differentiate between the two in a split second and in any case  he wasn’t aware of his foot positioning and hit Buendia as a result. Like on Thursday night where the Forest brute was going for the ball with his head and lwas nowhere near the ball and walloped Ollie instead. Another penalty we should have been awarded.

[Somniloquism]

No, I was being slightly pedantic as an "accidental foul" is not a term. It is a foul if it is called a foul by the official, they don't blow a whistle and go "accidental foul", they go "foul". If it isn't called one, then it is not a foul officially. An accidental coming together would be the suited term then.

[brontebilly]

Thought it was a blatant penalty myself on Buendia. Sure he is being clever but that's hardly an excuse for Walker standing on the back of his heel. Mindless defending that should have been punished.

We didn't deserve three points though.

[Chris Smith]

A lacklustre performance and disappointing result but we have won plenty of games this season playing in a similar way. The difference this time were 2 totally needless goals conceded due to basic mistakes by experienced players. We’ve still got 2 shots at making the Champions League next season and winning a trophy in the process. We’ve had worse seasons.

[Le Lapin]

Another huge opportunity missed yesterday. So frustrating. The team are looking for the same few players to make things happen. Rogers needs a rest, became more of a liability as the game went on.

[Brend'Watkins]

Yes Chris you are right. However, we should be CL Qualified already and all focus on the final. At this stage it’s inconceivable that there’s a chance we could end up with nothing that gets us to the CL. That would be a disaster.

[nigel]

I reckon Antony Taylor would have ruled out Ollie's goal had VAR not been there.

I read that Ollie said Taylor was going to var but told him he thought the goal was good (or something like that)

[Smithy]

There is no such thing as a accidental foul, it's a foul he stood on the back of his foot no matter how slightly and if it was at Liverpool Manchesters etc he would probably be recommended to go to the screen, because it's little old Villa it's okay,

Of course there is not every foul is intentional

You're right of course, but I suspect what he meant was "just because it was accidental, doesn't mean it's not a foul".  Deliberate fouls often result in yellow cards - just because you didn't mean it doesn't mean it's not a foul.

I would have no issue with us not getting a penalty, IF it was consistent for everyone else, but we've seen so many pens given, for so much less, that we know this incident is a penalty 90% of the time elsewhere.  The Bruno penalty against us when he stood on (I think Konsa's) foot.  What we need, is an explanation WHY it was not a penalty.   If it's because the ref just saw it as an "accidental coming together", then fine, but I will expect to see zero pens given for similar incidents next season.

But of course we know that the moment someone like Bruno steps across a defender and gets clipped, it will be a guaranteed penalty.

[kippaxvilla2]

9 points out of a possible 45 in the league now is it?  The cup run has certainly papered over the cracks.  Something needs to change in the summer otherwise I think this side will struggle next year.

[Somniloquism]

I expect without the cup run we would have had more points though. But something definitely needs to change, on that we are agreed and we can see what Olabe finally brings to the table with hopefully less contraints on the finances.