Nottingham Forest v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[JUAN PABLO]

I honestly think Anderson only stayed on the pitch because of Ollie's honesty in carrying on playing after a truly dangerous tackle. Maybe, we are too honest. If that was a Chelsea or Citeh player, they would still be rolling over this morning. He was completely out of control with studs raised and a straight leg contact on his opponents ankle. That is a straight red card every day of the week.

If it was cucarella getting fouled he would be rolling until he fell into the river Trent .

Get a goal next week in the first 25 mins and its ours .

[Rigadon]

Possible penalty takers for us? Luiz, Abraham, Tielemans, Rogers, McGinn, Cash?

I would be surprised to score more than 2 from that list.  Genuinely, even with Martinez in goal, there is zero chance we are winning a penalty shoot out.

[Chris Smith]

Well, we have another chance to redeem ourselves  and prove we aren’t bottling another big moment again, but we had nothing up front tonight.

Really don't understand why we bothered buying Abraham. Surely he can't be that bad? Less than zero can only be.

You’d be going to the manager in the summer and asking for a transfer.

I've been thinking that for the last few months, Leon.

Who are you going to sign for, Rudy.

[Somniloquism]

On the penalty, it's the inconsistency that absolutely boils my piss.  We seem to be the only team that has had any decisions on the in/out of play thing - the only other case I can remember being remotely similar was the one a few years back where Manure scored at West Ham.  There the ball was clearly a couple of metres beyond the touchline in the air before swinging back in, yet everyone was told that VAR couldn't intervene on that one.

Football doesn't have 'hawkeye' technology on the touchlines yet, and my understanding is that in/out is still currently the decision of the on field officials.  The linesman clearly indicated for a goal kick as soon as it happened, so I don't know why VAR even intervenes at that stage.

If VAR is going to overrule officials on this, then it also needs to start being used for goal kicks and corners.  Or just f*ck the whole thing off and make the game much more enjoyable.

VAR intervenes because of a potential penalty due to Digne deciding to call for "our ball" with his hand over his head whilst it is a still in play, and I mean 2 ft in play when he starts to call for it. He doesn't do that and VAR wouldn't be having to judge if it was out and we get the goal-kick (assuming they didn't score from the pullback before the ref blows his whistle.)

As for the West Ham example, the ball was 30 feet in the air and curling, there was no way VAR could judge if it went out, the same with our Brentford one which was a guess and shouldn't have been changed with the angles they didn't have. But in this case with the camera level with the line it is a simple and valid call to say it didn't go out so penalty.

[Des Little]

Possible penalty takers for us? Luiz, Abraham, Tielemans, Rogers, McGinn, Cash?

I would be surprised to score more than 2 from that list.  Genuinely, even with Martinez in goal, there is zero chance we are winning a penalty shoot out.

Agreed.  If it goes to pens I'll be cancelling my Istanbul flight before the first one is taken.

[Concrete Tom]

The reality is that it was a fairly even game with few clear chances. If it was 0-0, most fans would be satisfied with the result and a professional away performance.

Other than the two close range keeper saves, neither side really troubled the other and but for a preposterous penalty we would be going into the second leg level.

I actually thought that for a European official, the referee uncharacteristically let the game flow and generally had a good game. Unfortunately, this played into Forest's hands as an all action Premier League side, whereas we have a more European style of play dependent upon control.

We moan about the mentality of a team which fails when it matters; FA Cup Semi, Conference Semi, Utd last season but I feel aghast at the mentality of our fans. After each teams previous results prior to this match, the negativity from fans was atrocious and must surely be transmitted to players. We need to up our game and actually support the team for the second leg if we are to turn things around.

[Somniloquism]

Is it a different ref next week or is it bloody Robino Hoodo again?

Very rare the same refs get the same teams the following week. It will be a limited selection though due to the supposed top ones being saved for Semi and Finals. Plus point is it is two English teams who are involved so all the rest of Europe is available. So I expect the next officialting team will be Greek...

[ADVILLAFAN]

Thought it was a pretty even game. Absolutely amazing that Anderson didnt get at least a booking, for the ankle breaker and then cynical pullback.

Did feel like the ref was a homer.

Penalty was daft and we'd looked really comfortable in the 2nd half.

[LeeB]

Somone needs to put that wanker Anderson in the stands next week.

[JUAN PABLO]

Possible penalty takers for us? Luiz, Abraham, Tielemans, Rogers, McGinn, Cash?

will Tammy even be on pitch ,  with 2 mins to pens.   Not sure why he isnt getting more mins.

[Richard]

Is it a different ref next week or is it bloody Robino Hoodo again?

Very rare the same refs get the same teams the following week. It will be a limited selection though due to the supposed top ones being saved for Semi and Finals. Plus point is it is two English teams who are involved so all the rest of Europe is available. So I expect the next officialting team will be Greek...

It is a semi final

[caster troy]

It isn't a terrible result but it was a concerning performance in context.

Two games without a goal and again minimal chances created.
Being 1-0, Forest will park the bus at VP and we always struggle against that.
Onana injured again, surely out for Spurs at least.
Tielemans poor post injury, McGinn suddenly knackered, Buendia useless, Sancho can't be trusted to start, Bogarde struggling, Bailey finished. Not looking good for the run in unless Rogers turns into Messi.

If we don't beat Spurs there will be a lot of pressure on the second leg and confidence will be low.

[Rigadon]

Somone needs to put that wanker Anderson in the stands next week.

Yes indeed. When we’re 4 up.  Somebody who won’t be a big miss for the final. 

[Somniloquism]

Is it a different ref next week or is it bloody Robino Hoodo again?

Very rare the same refs get the same teams the following week. It will be a limited selection though due to the supposed top ones being saved for Semi and Finals. Plus point is it is two English teams who are involved so all the rest of Europe is available. So I expect the next officialting team will be Greek...

It is a semi final

I was being facetious that the "top" ones who don't make mistakes are normally chosen for semi-finals, including VAR officials.

[paul_e]

Sorry if this was posted earlier. Rare you hear Unai being so scathing about any officiating but he was livid at VAR for not reviewing the foul on Ollie

https://xcancel.com/footballontnt/status/2049965814975955165?s=46

Yep, tells its own story. Still goes out of his way to praise the ref, to say it wasn't his fault, to be a gent about it all, but yeah. Insane that the VAR hasn't sent the ref to the monitor over that.

I think it's the outrage over player safety that's sent him over the edge tbh. Like, reds for hairpulling but not for possible ankle-breakers? It's not right.

I agree that concern for a player's welfare makes an incident like that much more serious than just a bad decision.

Don't agree with the downplaying of hair-pulling. That can cause serious neck injuries, and should be a red card.

Fair enough, though to maintain the comparison - I don't think it's as likely to cause serious injury as going in studs-up on someone's ankle!

I don't think hairpulling has anytihng to do with being dangerous, it's just a shitty thing to do and should be an automatic red every single time, same as spitting, same as intentionally grabbing someone 'down there'.

I played rugby for 22 seasons in all that time I got 1 red card for laying 4-5 punches into a guy who pulled our fly-half back by his hair, broke 2 fingers on the c**t as well. Best thing was his team let me land a couple before stepping in to break it up and they were as angry with him as we were. He got sent off as well, and so did their captain who punched me. Only time I've punched someone since I was about 14 and had no regrets at all, the team even paid my fine.