Aston Villa v Sunderland Post-Match Thread

[Villa Lew]

What an amazing match, can anyone think of a more dramatic end of a Villa match, where after 85 mins we were winning the match by a 2 goal margin and looking very comfortable and it ended like it did.

[Dave]

What an amazing match, can anyone think of a more dramatic end of a Villa match, where after 85 mins we were winning the match by a 2 goal margin and looking very comfortable and it ended like it did.

The 3-3 against Sheffield Utd in the Championship is the only other one that springs to mind.

[LeeB]

What an amazing match, can anyone think of a more dramatic end of a Villa match, where after 85 mins we were winning the match by a 2 goal margin and looking very comfortable and it ended like it did.

The one that came to mind walking back afterwards was Leicester in 95, slightly different but the same catastrophic 'where the fuck did that come from' feel. That almost banjoed the season as well, we were coasting in mid table and that triggered a relegation dog fight.

[Smithy]

What an amazing match, can anyone think of a more dramatic end of a Villa match, where after 85 mins we were winning the match by a 2 goal margin and looking very comfortable and it ended like it did.

The 3-3 against Sheffield Utd in the Championship is the only other one that springs to mind.

And it's amazing to think that even though that was seven years ago, and that we were a mid-table Championship side at the time, three of the players in that side played yesterday (and played well, with Tammy scoring in both!)

[TheToffnar]

Hard to put into words how big that save and goal where at the end. If we lose that game, it hangs over us for the rest of the season and effects everything.

[Villa Lew]

What an amazing match, can anyone think of a more dramatic end of a Villa match, where after 85 mins we were winning the match by a 2 goal margin and looking very comfortable and it ended like it did.

The one that came to mind walking back afterwards was Leicester in 95, slightly different but the same catastrophic 'where the fuck did that come from' feel. That almost banjoed the season as well, we were coasting in mid table and that triggered a relegation dog fight.

Yeah Leicester match is a good shout.

[AV82EC]

What an amazing match, can anyone think of a more dramatic end of a Villa match, where after 85 mins we were winning the match by a 2 goal margin and looking very comfortable and it ended like it did.

The 3-3 against Sheffield Utd in the Championship is the only other one that springs to mind.

GREEN!!

[brontebilly]

Their first goal Maatsen stumbled at the point he could have blocked the cross.

Before the second goal McGinn made arguably just as bad a mistake as Sancho did the only difference was the shot was straight at Emi. I think that was why he was subbed, likely tiredness.

For their second goal Emi should have cleared, Cash is marked and back-pedalling, he signals to Emi to boot it who doesn’t. Mings points for it to go long too. Sancho to be fair runs deep to help out but has the bad touch. The weird one is Konsa, who for some reason ran off the pitch, then charged to the ball when Sancho mis controlled leaving a gigantic hole that Hume strolls into.

The third goal when Sancho loses it we are in a decent shape with six men behind the ball, except Konsa is three yards deeper than Cash and Mings playing the striker onside. Emi slips.

The one v one, we try to counter press needing to win the game, Cash most culpable getting sucked in not tracking Hume. This time Mings is in no man’s land, we only have two men back and both are right side of the centre circle.

Agree with your summary. I can't stand Sancho and he was pathetically soft for the first. But just because he kept losing the ball shouldn't mean goals going in. Konsa in particular was appalling for the two late goals and as you say Mings at sea for the one they missed. Lindelof/Torres are the centre backs in form currently. Emery for me was asleep too leaving Tielemans on for 90mins +, Luiz or even Bogarde could have come in at 3-2 or earlier to give us legs. Midfield was wide open late on.

[Somniloquism]

Agree with your summary. I can't stand Sancho and he was pathetically soft for the first. But just because he kept losing the ball shouldn't mean goals going in. Konsa in particular was appalling for the two late goals and as you say Mings at sea for the one they missed. Lindelof/Torres are the centre backs in form currently. Emery for me was asleep too leaving Tielemans on for 90mins +, Luiz or even Bogarde could have come in at 3-2 or earlier to give us legs. Midfield was wide open late on.

I doubt he could have made the change between 3-2 and 3-3 unless they were already about to come on. (I appreciate you also mentioned earlier).

[LeeB]

Their first goal Maatsen stumbled at the point he could have blocked the cross.

Before the second goal McGinn made arguably just as bad a mistake as Sancho did the only difference was the shot was straight at Emi. I think that was why he was subbed, likely tiredness.

For their second goal Emi should have cleared, Cash is marked and back-pedalling, he signals to Emi to boot it who doesn’t. Mings points for it to go long too. Sancho to be fair runs deep to help out but has the bad touch. The weird one is Konsa, who for some reason ran off the pitch, then charged to the ball when Sancho mis controlled leaving a gigantic hole that Hume strolls into.

The third goal when Sancho loses it we are in a decent shape with six men behind the ball, except Konsa is three yards deeper than Cash and Mings playing the striker onside. Emi slips.

The one v one, we try to counter press needing to win the game, Cash most culpable getting sucked in not tracking Hume. This time Mings is in no man’s land, we only have two men back and both are right side of the centre circle.

Agree with your summary. I can't stand Sancho and he was pathetically soft for the first. But just because he kept losing the ball shouldn't mean goals going in. Konsa in particular was appalling for the two late goals and as you say Mings at sea for the one they missed. Lindelof/Torres are the centre backs in form currently. Emery for me was asleep too leaving Tielemans on for 90mins +, Luiz or even Bogarde could have come in at 3-2 or earlier to give us legs. Midfield was wide open late on.

Konsa stepped a couple of yards just as that player knicked the ball off Sancho and it left that gaping hole behind him. If he'd not moved they wouldn't have scored.

[brontebilly]

Their first goal Maatsen stumbled at the point he could have blocked the cross.

Before the second goal McGinn made arguably just as bad a mistake as Sancho did the only difference was the shot was straight at Emi. I think that was why he was subbed, likely tiredness.

For their second goal Emi should have cleared, Cash is marked and back-pedalling, he signals to Emi to boot it who doesn’t. Mings points for it to go long too. Sancho to be fair runs deep to help out but has the bad touch. The weird one is Konsa, who for some reason ran off the pitch, then charged to the ball when Sancho mis controlled leaving a gigantic hole that Hume strolls into.

The third goal when Sancho loses it we are in a decent shape with six men behind the ball, except Konsa is three yards deeper than Cash and Mings playing the striker onside. Emi slips.

The one v one, we try to counter press needing to win the game, Cash most culpable getting sucked in not tracking Hume. This time Mings is in no man’s land, we only have two men back and both are right side of the centre circle.

Agree with your summary. I can't stand Sancho and he was pathetically soft for the first. But just because he kept losing the ball shouldn't mean goals going in. Konsa in particular was appalling for the two late goals and as you say Mings at sea for the one they missed. Lindelof/Torres are the centre backs in form currently. Emery for me was asleep too leaving Tielemans on for 90mins +, Luiz or even Bogarde could have come in at 3-2 or earlier to give us legs. Midfield was wide open late on.

Konsa stepped a couple of yards just as that player knicked the ball off Sancho and it left that gaping hole behind him. If he'd not moved they wouldn't have scored.

Konsa has done that a few times this season, Cash made a similar mistake v Man United but Konsa was nowhere to be seen on the cover. Kamara is sharper than Onana in those situations too as the covering midfielder on that side. Losing the ball in those areas, while dangerous, shouldn't mean a clear shot on goal.

[Hopadop]

What an amazing match, can anyone think of a more dramatic end of a Villa match, where after 85 mins we were winning the match by a 2 goal margin and looking very comfortable and it ended like it did.

Not really, but just for similar levels of twisty turny whatthefuckery, with added Lescott despair, it was a bit Everton away 2008.

Maybe because I was talking about it last night with an Evertonian. And we were both a bit upset that it was nearly 18 (eighteen!) years ago.

[Paul.S]

Their first goal came from not clearing the ball and trying to play out from the back. I know that’s what we do but there are times when it’s not needed.
We were that comfortable at that point I think we relaxed too much. I’m sure lessons have been learnt.

[Flamingo Lane]

I haven't yet found the courage to watch the highlights, but my impression at the time was that Sunderland's second goal was the result of some terrible sideways passing that left Sancho in a pickle that was not of his making. The ire with Sancho is purely down to his absolute aversion to being on the receiving end of anything resembling a tackle.

[lovejoy]

I haven't yet found the courage to watch the highlights, but my impression at the time was that Sunderland's second goal was the result of some terrible sideways passing that left Sancho in a pickle that was not of his making. The ire with Sancho is purely down to his absolute aversion to being on the receiving end of anything resembling a tackle.

This is true. However how can he get to such a semi reasonable tackle?