Manchester Utd vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[DB]

I was out of coverage, glad I was from the comments on here. All too predictable.

[geolex]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Both Villa and Man United needed to buy about three attackers this summer. They went and spent, what, 200m+? We were left scraping the barrel. One club is in chronic debt, the other isn't. One has 50p negative net spend over the last five years. The other doesn't.

Alrighty then.

So we spent what little we had on Guessand £30m, Elliot and not play him  and give Sancho the best part of £180k a week, its not all down to FFP, a lot is down to absolute crap transfer dealings which we then compound by getting shot of Malen and paying £18m for a player we could've got for £11m.... maybe we might be better off if we didnt piss money away on players who arent good enough

Exactly this. We can moan all we like about the financial restrictions but no one forced us to buy a turd in Guessand and give an oxygen thief like Sancho that sort of wage.

True, but the restrictions meant we shopping in that market when we really needed to be buying a much better calibre of player. 

I genuinely can't believe how bad some of those players have been over the past few weeks.  Some of them have got bad attitudes as well to boot.

Asensio£7.5m instead of Guessand  , Ben chillwell (free) Grealish on loan instead of Sancho ,James McAteer £21m  ..

[Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air]

Were things really that good before this recent run ? I don't know.
Are things really that bad now and is it all falling apart ? I don't know.
It's all about opinions and there will be 101 different reasons given here about the present state of affairs.
Next season Unai could be taking us on an exciting CL run again, he may have left, we may be in a Gerrardesque relegation struggle. None of us really know.
Let's just agree on the one thing we do know... Man U are c*nts.

[TheToffnar]

Genuinely didn't think there was that much in it overall outside of a few lucky deflections and a touch more individual quality. Room for improvement of course, as there was in the Lille game. Meh.

[Mellin]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Both Villa and Man United needed to buy about three attackers this summer. They went and spent, what, 200m+? We were left scraping the barrel. One club is in chronic debt, the other isn't. One has 50p negative net spend over the last five years. The other doesn't.

Alrighty then.

So we spent what little we had on Guessand £30m, Elliot and not play him  and give Sancho the best part of £180k a week, its not all down to FFP, a lot is down to absolute crap transfer dealings which we then compound by getting shot of Malen and paying £18m for a player we could've got for £11m.... maybe we might be better off if we didnt piss money away on players who arent good enough

Exactly this. We can moan all we like about the financial restrictions but no one forced us to buy a turd in Guessand and give an oxygen thief like Sancho that sort of wage.

True, but the restrictions meant we shopping in that market when we really needed to be buying a much better calibre of player. 

I genuinely can't believe how bad some of those players have been over the past few weeks.  Some of them have got bad attitudes as well to boot.

Asensio£7.5m instead of Guessand  , Ben chillwell (free) Grealish on loan instead of Sancho ,James McAteer £21m  ..

Erm, that is literally the definition of scraping the barrel, however you cut it. They spent 60-70m three times. We didn't spend anywhere near one of those on all three. Has recruitment been shit? Generally speaking, yes. Is that partially due to having to shop in a lower tier than we want to/our position these days should allow? Fucking damn right.

[RamboandBruno]

Only saw up to the equaliser and thought a draw would of been fair at that stage.
West Ham is now massive and their recent form is better than ours!

[pauliewalnuts]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Both Villa and Man United needed to buy about three attackers this summer. They went and spent, what, 200m+? We were left scraping the barrel. One club is in chronic debt, the other isn't. One has 50p negative net spend over the last five years. The other doesn't.

Alrighty then.

So we spent what little we had on Guessand £30m, Elliot and not play him  and give Sancho the best part of £180k a week, its not all down to FFP, a lot is down to absolute crap transfer dealings which we then compound by getting shot of Malen and paying £18m for a player we could've got for £11m.... maybe we might be better off if we didnt piss money away on players who arent good enough

Exactly this. We can moan all we like about the financial restrictions but no one forced us to buy a turd in Guessand and give an oxygen thief like Sancho that sort of wage.

True, but the restrictions meant we shopping in that market when we really needed to be buying a much better calibre of player. 

I genuinely can't believe how bad some of those players have been over the past few weeks.  Some of them have got bad attitudes as well to boot.

Asensio£7.5m instead of Guessand  , Ben chillwell (free) Grealish on loan instead of Sancho ,James McAteer £21m  ..

Erm, that is literally the definition of scraping the barrel, however you cut it. They spent 60-70m three times. We didn't spend anywhere near one of those on all three. Has recruitment been shit? Generally speaking, yes. Is that partially due to having to shop in a lower tier than we want to/our position these days should allow? Fucking damn right.

How has £50m record signing Onana done since joining?

[JUAN PABLO]

Add in the waste of money on Elliott.

weird decision this one. I kinda think If he had a run and got a few assists and a goal and got us a few more points when needed ,  and made the chumps league  , the money we would earn from it (75/80 mill)  then the 35 million would be worth it and I still believe we would get the money back selling him  to someone else or If he had doe really well we might have kept him .

I mean I cant see him giving the ball away and doing fuck all like leon bailey who at this rate will cost us 80 million etc not making it.

Anyway its all bloody odd. 

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Thought we lacked threat for most of the game, but not helped by Watkina being really poor and not holding the ball up or seemingly able to commit a defender with pace.

Bailey gives the ball away needlessly in the build up and they score a second, after we needlessly give away a corner too for the first. Poor decision making.

Same old story really that hasn't gone away. We have too many of our best players that really make us tick out injured. It was great to have McGinn back and hopefully he'll be fit enough to keep going deeper in the games to come. We may well be two away (Lille and West Ham for Tielemans).

But we cannot expect miracles when you have players like Buendia or Bailey as attacking options. They were not good enough and we are having to rely on them, when they're probably past and sort of use in this league. The quicker we can rely upon McGinn and Tielemans the better.

That is also 7 goals conceded in two league games where Mings was brought in to deal with a high ball. Another one not good enough.

[geolex]

i was making the point that just because we couldn't eat at top table didn't mean we had to go to the food bank.. Asensio better than Guessand  ,Grealish better than Sancho thats the squad/ team improved  with  still over 20m in kitty

[PeterWithesShin]

No PL side with serious CL ambitions is starting any of Mings, Digne, Barkley, Buendia or bringing Bailey on as first sub. We started them all and did bring on Leon.

[Mellin]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Both Villa and Man United needed to buy about three attackers this summer. They went and spent, what, 200m+? We were left scraping the barrel. One club is in chronic debt, the other isn't. One has 50p negative net spend over the last five years. The other doesn't.

Alrighty then.

So we spent what little we had on Guessand £30m, Elliot and not play him  and give Sancho the best part of £180k a week, its not all down to FFP, a lot is down to absolute crap transfer dealings which we then compound by getting shot of Malen and paying £18m for a player we could've got for £11m.... maybe we might be better off if we didnt piss money away on players who arent good enough

Exactly this. We can moan all we like about the financial restrictions but no one forced us to buy a turd in Guessand and give an oxygen thief like Sancho that sort of wage.

True, but the restrictions meant we shopping in that market when we really needed to be buying a much better calibre of player. 

I genuinely can't believe how bad some of those players have been over the past few weeks.  Some of them have got bad attitudes as well to boot.

Asensio£7.5m instead of Guessand  , Ben chillwell (free) Grealish on loan instead of Sancho ,James McAteer £21m  ..

Erm, that is literally the definition of scraping the barrel, however you cut it. They spent 60-70m three times. We didn't spend anywhere near one of those on all three. Has recruitment been shit? Generally speaking, yes. Is that partially due to having to shop in a lower tier than we want to/our position these days should allow? Fucking damn right.

How has £50m record signing Onana done since joining?

I'd sell him.

I think people are being hysterical. The goalkeeper, defence and midfield are a match for anything in the country. The problem is attack. It was clear in the summer and I remember saying as much. Rashford, Asensio and Ramsey all left, leaving us to get a load of cheap last minute shit in due to financial constraints. Now we can't score goals.

Considering we needed a full Premier League attack, what we got was 30m and a couple of loans. Meanwhile United signed Wolves' best player, Brentford's best player and Leipzig's best player. If people think that's a fair competition, then crack on with that.

[LeeS]

i was making the point that just because we couldn't eat at top table didn't mean we had to go to the food bank.. Asensio better than Guessand  ,Grealish better than Sancho thats the squad/ team improved  with  still over 20m in kitty

I agree with this. I don’t know for certain who has the final say on transfers but, whoever it is, needs sacking. Even if it’s Unai. And I say that because we are in a deep hole with this squad. Real trouble.

[cdward]

They have Cunha and Fernandez in form, we have Watkins and Rogers who are both bang out of form. Similar to how both teams are right now. Add in Bailey and Buendia and it’s no surprise we didn’t win.
Was never expecting anything from this and the Chelsea game, the next few games are more important.
Amazing we have stayed in the CL places for so long during this run.
Still time to turn it around.
UTV

[PaulWinch again]

No PL side with serious CL ambitions is starting any of Mings, Digne, Barkley, Buendia or bringing Bailey on as first sub. We started them all and did bring on Leon.

No but we didn’t have to start them - Pau, Maatsen are definitely better choices. Doug is better than Barkley, but he’s played a lot of late.