Aston Villa v Chelsea Post-Match Thread

[Walmley_Villa]

There is a mentality issue with these players when the pressure is on. The majority of last night’s team being the ones that failed v Olympiakos in the ECL. Last season they struggled in the Palace SF, couldn’t beat the worst Man U team for years. Since Xmas struggled in the games at home we thought might be bankers, Brentford, Leeds and even Everton. Leadership on the pitch is an issue.

[brontebilly]

There is a mentality issue with these players when the pressure is on. The majority of last night’s team being the ones that failed v Olympiakos in the ECL. Last season they struggled in the Palace SF, couldn’t beat the worst Man U team for years. Since Xmas struggled in the games at home we thought might be bankers, Brentford, Leeds and even Everton. Leadership on the pitch is an issue.

Was the pressure not on beating Arsenal, Man City & Chelsea earlier in the season?

We are in a serious funk currently, tactical and player availability related. But Emerys Villa team is our best since Little's time.

[Villan82]

There is a mentality issue with these players when the pressure is on. The majority of last night’s team being the ones that failed v Olympiakos in the ECL. Last season they struggled in the Palace SF, couldn’t beat the worst Man U team for years. Since Xmas struggled in the games at home we thought might be bankers, Brentford, Leeds and even Everton. Leadership on the pitch is an issue.

Was the pressure not on beating Arsenal, Man City & Chelsea earlier in the season?

We are in a serious funk currently, tactical and player availability related. But Emerys Villa team is our best since Little's time.

I agree with you but feel a lot of our fans need him to win a trophy to see it like that. On here there are a few posters who hold him to a very high standard and I think it's because they wan't a cup, any cup.

[RamboandBruno]

There is a mentality issue with these players when the pressure is on. The majority of last night’s team being the ones that failed v Olympiakos in the ECL. Last season they struggled in the Palace SF, couldn’t beat the worst Man U team for years. Since Xmas struggled in the games at home we thought might be bankers, Brentford, Leeds and even Everton. Leadership on the pitch is an issue.

Theres loads of examples of where this group haven't failed under Emery. Having numerous historic winning runs at home, beating and outplaying  Man City three years on the trot, beating Arsenal home and away, beating Man Utd twice at home when we haven’t beaten them at home in over 25 years. Qualifying for the champions league, beating Bayern Munich and PSG at home.

The last month has been shit and the last two games in particular, but please do not pick a handful of examples of how this group have  failed, when Emery has turned them into the best team we’ve had for 30 years.

[Nunkin1965]

One of the most annoying experiences last night apart from the obvious?
Chelsea's pathetic team huddle right on the halfway line while we're waiting to start the second half.

It was like an intimidating tactic, saying we are on your ground, in your back yard, and we don’t give a fuck.

It worked.

Absolutely a strong other side would gone and done the same  thing but in their penalty box. You wanna take the piss we will do the same.

Unfortunately  dont see many leaders in our team and hard men.

All it would have taken would be for a player or two to go over and start to shove them out the way. The ref would then get involved and it would be broken up. Instead we stood there and watched.

Yeah the angry little man in me was apoplectic at that sheer piss take on our fucking turf. Why on earth did our lot stand and watch? McManaman on comms called the whole thing pathetic. Sorry but in my playing days me and my team mates would of been knocking them out of the way like skittles.

Quite why no  one on our side said or did anything says a lot I think.
Super John McGinn would have been making his feelings heard I would say.
Didn't Rosenior mouth off at an Arsenal coach to "f*** off and stay on the right side of the pitch during the League Cup warm up?

[Clampy]

I dont know why people keep saying we stood around and did nothing. Three of our players complained to the ref when they did it before the second half started.

[Rigadon]

Yeah but it looked a bit timid complaining to the ref I thought.  A bit more aggression is required than has been on slow the last month. I’ve found myself shouting “win a fucking tackle in midfield” far too often lately.  The huddle they did second half needed a reaction from the players beyond moaning to the ref.  I am not saying they should be violent obviously, but we are way too nice and easy to play against at the moment.

[Walmley_Villa]

There is a mentality issue with these players when the pressure is on. The majority of last night’s team being the ones that failed v Olympiakos in the ECL. Last season they struggled in the Palace SF, couldn’t beat the worst Man U team for years. Since Xmas struggled in the games at home we thought might be bankers, Brentford, Leeds and even Everton. Leadership on the pitch is an issue.

Was the pressure not on beating Arsenal, Man City & Chelsea earlier in the season?

We are in a serious funk currently, tactical and player availability related. But Emerys Villa team is our best since Little's time.

It’s the games we are favourite to win is the problem

[PaulWinch again]

It’s all games that are a problem at the moment. Hopefully that ended yesterday.

[PeterWithe]

And to cap it all that snidey little shit Enzo Fernandes ran 30 yards to applaud the referee.

Didn't he get booked for that? If so about the only thing the ref got right.

I didn't really notice the huddle thing, if we felt slighted we should have got into them when the game started rather than getting gubbed and moaning about it now.

[Flamingo Lane]

And to cap it all that snidey little shit Enzo Fernandes ran 30 yards to applaud the referee.

Didn't he get booked for that? If so about the only thing the ref got right.

I didn't really notice the huddle thing, if we felt slighted we should have got into them when the game started rather than getting gubbed and moaning about it now.

He did get booked, yes.

[eamonn]

He's a prick, Enzo, but Christ we gave him the freedom of the final third to pick a pass last night.

[Demitri_C]

There is a mentality issue with these players when the pressure is on. The majority of last night’s team being the ones that failed v Olympiakos in the ECL. Last season they struggled in the Palace SF, couldn’t beat the worst Man U team for years. Since Xmas struggled in the games at home we thought might be bankers, Brentford, Leeds and even Everton. Leadership on the pitch is an issue.

Was the pressure not on beating Arsenal, Man City & Chelsea earlier in the season?

We are in a serious funk currently, tactical and player availability related. But Emerys Villa team is our best since Little's time.

I dont think it was as still alot of game time and les spressure then. The oressur starts hitting after xmas fixtures
This team just can't hack the pressure. Its like dejavu

[dave.woodhall]

There is a mentality issue with these players when the pressure is on. The majority of last night’s team being the ones that failed v Olympiakos in the ECL. Last season they struggled in the Palace SF, couldn’t beat the worst Man U team for years. Since Xmas struggled in the games at home we thought might be bankers, Brentford, Leeds and even Everton. Leadership on the pitch is an issue.

Was the pressure not on beating Arsenal, Man City & Chelsea earlier in the season?

We are in a serious funk currently, tactical and player availability related. But Emerys Villa team is our best since Little's time.

I dont think it was as still alot of game time and les spressure then. The oressur starts hitting after xmas fixtures
This team just can't hack the pressure. Its like dejavu

So there was no pressure when we beat Forest. One league game and fifteen days later Santa had belatedly delivered us a load of pressure so we lost to Everton. That sounds reasonable.

[RamboandBruno]

There is a mentality issue with these players when the pressure is on. The majority of last night’s team being the ones that failed v Olympiakos in the ECL. Last season they struggled in the Palace SF, couldn’t beat the worst Man U team for years. Since Xmas struggled in the games at home we thought might be bankers, Brentford, Leeds and even Everton. Leadership on the pitch is an issue.

Was the pressure not on beating Arsenal, Man City & Chelsea earlier in the season?

We are in a serious funk currently, tactical and player availability related. But Emerys Villa team is our best since Little's time.

I dont think it was as still alot of game time and les spressure then. The oressur starts hitting after xmas fixtures
This team just can't hack the pressure. Its like dejavu

So there was no pressure when we beat Forest. One league game and fifteen days later Santa had belatedly delivered us a load of pressure so we lost to Everton. That sounds reasonable.

And after we lost to Everton, we went and outplayed and beat Newcastle away for the first time in er 20 odd years.
The post xmas pressure theory doesn’t ring true. Despite the terrible day at man utd last May, our form post xmas last year, was virtually title winning.
The issue now is the inter relationship between players missing, lack of adequate replacements and the managers seeming unwillingness to bend a bit tactically at the moment.
It was no coincidence post xmas last year our form was excellent and we had Tielemans, McGinn, Kamara as well as Rashford and Asensio as options.