Aston Villa v Newcastle Post-Match Thread

[SaddVillan]

All of the pivotal moments in the game (from a Villa viewpoint) came from mistakes by us - individually and collectively.

Red card Bailey’s no look pass to their defender lead to the through ball ending in Bizot's card.

Equaliser. Burns shoved Onana out of the way, allowing him to head the free-kick back to the edge of our box - nobody patrolling the D and we were too slow closing on Tonali.

2nd goal- we allow a cross - no pressure on the ball. Poor header out by Bogarde into a dangerous area. Then their midfielder is able to control the ball (unchallenged), pass it to Tonali (unmarked) who drills it bottom corner.

3rd goal Bogarde's daft pass, followed by two tackles, both of which just pushed the ball the wrong way.

[caster troy]

Brilliant. We gave up Kamara and a title challenge for that cup ‘run.’

That argument says we should have played the u18s in case any first teamers got injured. It’s painful to lose but our issue is squad depth, not individual injuries.

Kamara is irreplaceable no matter our squad depth, he should not be risked in the FA Cup as long as we have something to play for in the league or we are out of Europe. I will die on that hill.

I probably would have played the U18s too personally given the rare opportunity to go for the league, but I concede that is more controversial.

[ChicagoLion]

I knew the moment that Bizot got sent off the day was done.
Sadly the debacle was at home and in front of a TV audience.
A little concerned as to how we actually get ourselves organised to sustain a PL place.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

Unai obviously has no interest in the FA Cup and it showed.

He sent out a strong side. He didn’t look gutted when we scored. He didn’t tell Bizot to be an idiot and get sent off.

Yeah don’t agree with that. Considering the injuries that was a strong side. Many said after the last league match to play Tammy and Ross and we missed the passing of Torres.

Replacing Tammy with Watkins was a clear as you'll find demonstration he'd given up.

[ChicagoLion]

Brilliant. We gave up Kamara and a title challenge for that cup ‘run.’

That argument says we should have played the u18s in case any first teamers got injured. It’s painful to lose but our issue is squad depth, not individual injuries.

Kamara is irreplaceable no matter our squad depth, he should not be risked in the FA Cup as long as we have something to play for in the league or we are out of Europe. I will die on that hill.

I probably would have played the U18s too personally given the rare opportunity to go for the league, but I concede that is more controversial.

Gets my vote

[PaulWinch again]

Why can’t we play like that against ten men?

We don’t have pace and we don’t adapt our approach when the opposition have 10 men.

[geolex]

Why can’t we play like that against ten men?

Because we don't get a lucky deflection. If the Tammy goal had been given against Brentford and it was 1-1, I reckon we could have gone on and won. Before then Newcastle were having as much luck breaking us down we were against Brentford with that goal being their first on target.

He got the lucky deflection because he was prepared to shoot from outside the box whereas against Brentford Torres passed to konsa who passed it back then or passed to either bailey or cash at no time did anyone think i know ill try shooting for a change..

[brontebilly]

All of the pivotal moments in the game (from a Villa viewpoint) came from mistakes by us - individually and collectively.

Red card Bailey’s no look pass to their defender lead to the through ball ending in Bizot's card.

Equaliser. Burns shoved Onana out of the way, allowing him to head the free-kick back to the edge of our box - nobody patrolling the D and we were too slow closing on Tonali.

2nd goal- we allow a cross - no pressure on the ball. Poor header out by Bogarde into a dangerous area. Then their midfielder is able to control the ball (unchallenged), pass it to Tonali (unmarked) who drills it bottom corner.

3rd goal Bogarde's daft pass, followed by two tackles, both of which just pushed the ball the wrong way.

Buendia was piss poor for the second and not great for the third either. Throw himself in front of that ball and we get a free out. Torres soft as shite on tackle. That utter donkey scoring put the tin hat on it

[Hampshire Villa]

I know it sounds a bit like a crazy conspiracy theory but I can’t help thinking that the officials wanted to prove that VAR was needed. Tammy was offside , Digne should have walked for that challenge. He was well inside the area They should have had a penalty. Three massive mistakes we would have been fuming if they were against us. Seems like they totally depend on VAR refereeing the game. We were struggling after we went down to 10.
Not too disappointing to be out of the Cup. CL qualification is really important along with Conference.

[PaulWinch again]

Agree with most of Brontes ratings here apart from Torres who was a 3 or 4 maximum, absolutely dreadful.

Not sure what he did wrong defensively to only earn a 3 or 4.

Nothing. However, I disagree on Bogarde he made two errors for two of the goals.

[shipscat]

I'm gutted tonight...it was there on a plate for us with the lead... Bizots totally ferked that from every sense.. I'm totally with Brontë.. couldn't for the life of me understand the structure and balance we come out with in the second half...we rarely play 2 up front and it left us struggling to support the full backs, and they're a team that loves to get wide and put pressure there... getting off train at new st.. better cheer up as off to meet Mrs Cat....

[Somniloquism]

Why can’t we play like that against ten men?

Because we don't get a lucky deflection. If the Tammy goal had been given against Brentford and it was 1-1, I reckon we could have gone on and won. Before then Newcastle were having as much luck breaking us down we were against Brentford with that goal being their first on target.

He got the lucky deflection because he was prepared to shoot from outside the box whereas against Brentford Torres passed to konsa who passed it back then or passed to either bailey or cash at no time did anyone think i know ill try shooting for a change..

We 27 shots. Rogers was trying to get the ball onto the roof of the stand a couple of times and others were not much better.

[PaulTheVillan]

That was a huge fuck up all round.

[Ian.]

Unai obviously has no interest in the FA Cup and it showed.

He sent out a strong side. He didn’t look gutted when we scored. He didn’t tell Bizot to be an idiot and get sent off.

Yeah don’t agree with that. Considering the injuries that was a strong side. Many said after the last league match to play Tammy and Ross and we missed the passing of Torres.

Replacing Tammy with Watkins was a clear as you'll find demonstration he'd given up.

Not sure about that. Watkins should have been clean through, all down to how he pressed well and won the ball, but the ref gave a free kick.

Someone text me when we brought on Ollie and said it was a good sub, so it’s certainly a matter of opinion.

[AV82EC]

Agree with most of Brontes ratings here apart from Torres who was a 3 or 4 maximum, absolutely dreadful.

Not sure what he did wrong defensively to only earn a 3 or 4.

Nothing. However, I disagree on Bogarde he made two errors for two of the goals.

I must have been mistaken when at least 4 of his clearances just sailed aimlessly into touch. He constantly played Digne into trouble whenever we tried to play out and a few times he looked incredibly timid with any higher ball towards him. He’s either carrying knock or is grossly out of form.