Aston Villa v Brentford Post-Match Thread

[brontebilly]

There are some hysterical posts on here. We lost a game. Brentford defended very well. If I didn’t know the context, I’d assume we just slipped into the relegation zone.

Even if we we were in the relegation zone we would be disappointed losing to Brentford with a man extra for the entire second half. Brentford were very disciplined to be fair to them. We just couldn't play through them. Made their subs nice and early and defended their box really well. Kelleher would have been disappointed with that disallowed goal. The Bailey chance was more to do with the sub having just come on, really poor effort that one.

If it stayed 11 v 11 I didn't fancy Konsa/Torres chances against Thiago. Not sure about Torres form of late.

[eamonn]

Yeah, I'm kinda over it. Would have been spitting feathers had it happened to us and been given. Brentford learned their lesson from this let-off and just camped inside their defensive third for the following 50 minutes. Horrible game. Let's take the lead against them next time for once. Avoids all the aggro.

[martyn ellis]

Just watched the AVFC extended highlights of the game and my conclusion is that it was one of those games that could have been very different if we had had the run of the ball. Apart from Tammy's first half shot, Konsa's bad miss and the controversy over the goal, there were plenty of occasions when we would have scored on another day. Bailey's miss was the most glaring but there were occasions when players slipped at the crucial moment, an outstretched leg tipped a shot over the bar, a yard either side of the keeper would have gone in, a defence-splitting pass was inches too long, etc etc. Sometimes these things go for you; other times they don't, so I'm not too disheartened, other than the fact that's two full days watching my team lose two home matches one nil at Fortress Villa Park!

[ChicagoLion]

If the ref incorrectly awarded a goal kick and we scored from the play following the taking of the goal kick.Would the goal have been disallowed?
I think we all know the answer.

[Dave]

If the ref incorrectly awarded a goal kick and we scored from the play following the taking of the goal kick?
I think we all know the answer.

Yesterday's events were daft, but this isn't the same thing at all.

[ChicagoLion]

If the ref incorrectly awarded a goal kick and we scored from the play following the taking of the goal kick?
I think we all know the answer.

Yesterday's events were daft, but this isn't the same thing at all.

VAR has over ruled a mistake by the referee concerning if the ball was out or in.

[Chris Smith]

I gotta tells ya, that's pretty goshdarn outta play.

It is, my issue is that should VAR be getting involved when the ball is about the furthest point from the goal it can possibly be?

[Somniloquism]

Probably an unpopular opinion, but I thought the ref did fine yesterday.

Agreed. If anything, I thought he gave us stuff that we didn’t deserve. Lots of 50:50s our way. And he can’t be blamed for the VAR

Could he have stuck with his on field decision?

No. "Factual" decisions taken by VAR are accepted by the referee, it is subjective ones like fouls, pens, red cards, interfering offsides etc, where he has to review on screen.

[Somniloquism]

I gotta tells ya, that's pretty goshdarn outta play.

It is, my issue is that should VAR be getting involved when the ball is about the furthest point from the goal it can possibly be?

My initial thought on the freeze frame was "can't tell" for sure. When I saw video of it I thought it was out but again, if VAR took 30 seconds to state they couldn't override a similar ball out of play when they didn't have an angle to see it as clear and obvious, then then they took supposedly three minutes here AND still couldn't show an angle like the picture/video above, I don't see how they could state factual. If they had an angle like above, they would have used it for sure.

(And also the question of how far back to go to over-ride a goal).

[geolex]

Probably an unpopular opinion, but I thought the ref did fine yesterday.

Other than not having the balls to tell VAR that the decision made by him and his mate on the pitch requires no interference, especially a million seconds later.
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so you think he should have stood by his original "wrong" decision?

[olaftab]

I gotta tells ya, that's pretty goshdarn outta play.

Not necessarily. In the Japan v Germany game the ball looked 4 inches over the line from a similar camera angle however the overhead shot showed it to be very marginally in. These angles can be very deceptive.

[olaftab]

Probably an unpopular opinion, but I thought the ref did fine yesterday.

Other than not having the balls to tell VAR that the decision made by him and his mate on the pitch requires no interference, especially a million seconds later.

so you think he should have stood by his original "wrong" decision?

It wasn't wrong, it was a marginal decision. There are similar 3 or 4 "wrong" decisions in every game.

[Somniloquism]

If the ref incorrectly awarded a goal kick and we scored from the play following the taking of the goal kick?
I think we all know the answer.

Yesterday's events were daft, but this isn't the same thing at all.

VAR has over ruled a mistake by the referee concerning if the ball was out or in.

But it still isn't the same thing because the ball is out of play either way in your scenario so any attacking phases are reset to that point. At the moment* a team can score from a corner wrongly given and VAR doesn't overrule the goal because of it. This ball was ruled in-play so play continued and then they checked it. Various other goals have been over-ruled for the same issue, just none where the ball initially went out of play a foot from the teams own corner flag.

*There are talks that awarded corners will be checked for future matches although no one has asked whether awarded goal-kicks will be checked.

[dave.woodhall]

When the incident occured, the ball was closer to the old away coach park than their goal.

[garyellis]

If anyone remotely believes yesterdays debacle was the purpose of VAR they are on a different planet.