The combined Maccabi thread - now with are you going? poll

[Somniloquism]

Its a pity that the behaviour of the Israeli fans isn't the problem... the ban is because WMP can't keep them safe from the baying mobs of local Muslim youth who are being whipped up by 'elders'..and the antifa mob.. but don't let that be the story on The Guardian left wing fanzine of H&V.

Is that from TimVilla's new posting place?

[Brazilian Villain]

Its a pity that the behaviour of the Israeli fans isn't the problem... the ban is because WMP can't keep them safe from the baying mobs of local Muslim youth who are being whipped up by 'elders'..and the antifa mob.. but don't let that be the story on The Guardian left wing fanzine of H&V.

Is that from TimVilla's new posting place?

I think it's Martyn on Threads.

[eamonn]

We must have a fair few hundred Jewish season ticket holders, at least?

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Who they are is important to this narrative though, more so than their record of violence which is pretty trivial in comparison.

[ChicagoLion]

Its a pity that the behaviour of the Israeli fans isn't the problem... the ban is because WMP can't keep them safe from the baying mobs of local Muslim youth who are being whipped up by 'elders'..and the antifa mob.. but don't let that be the story on The Guardian left wing fanzine of H&V.

Is that from TimVilla's new posting place?

Where is that from?

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A lot of Islamophobic people use the Jewish people as a cipher for their rampant racism.

I think this is a fair and likely accurate point. Things do change, but the old extremes of certain hooligans like Chelsea etc had signficant links with C18 and that, so I imagine these FLA marches are a bit more confusing for the older heads.

There's a lot of sideways talking though. Zionist is certainly a synonym for some and there's been holocaust trivialising on this thread alone which ought to make folks uncomfortable.

This issue is often the wink-wink vehicle.

[tomd2103]

Its a pity that the behaviour of the Israeli fans isn't the problem... the ban is because WMP can't keep them safe from the baying mobs of local Muslim youth who are being whipped up by 'elders'..and the antifa mob.. but don't let that be the story on The Guardian left wing fanzine of H&V.

I wouldn't put it like that at all, but the possibility of Israeli football fans being targeted and attacked by locals and pro-Palestine groups is certainly one of the factors at play in all of this as well isn't it?  Allied to that, you've got the possibility of Israeli football fans attacking locals and pro-Palestine groups.  On top of that there is then the possibility of all the above attacking the police and Villa fans just wanting to watch their team play a game of football.

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Outrageous to suggest H&V is anywhere near as right wing as The Guardian.

[London Villan]

Its a pity that the behaviour of the Israeli fans isn't the problem... the ban is because WMP can't keep them safe from the baying mobs of local Muslim youth who are being whipped up by 'elders'..and the antifa mob.. but don't let that be the story on The Guardian left wing fanzine of H&V.

I wouldn't put it like that at all, but the possibility of Israeli football fans being targeted and attacked by locals and pro-Palestine groups is certainly one of the factors at play in all of this as well isn't it?  Allied to that, you've got the possibility of Israeli football fans attacking locals and pro-Palestine groups.  On top of that there is then the possibility of all the above attacking the police and Villa fans just wanting to watch their team play a game of football.

Weren’t these the reasons for the ban in the first place?

[Sexual Ealing]

Outrageous to suggest H&V is anywhere near as right wing as The Guardian.

Quite.

[Drummond]

Outrageous to suggest H&V is anywhere near as right wing as The Guardian.

Quite.

Absolutely right comrades.

[paul_e]

Its a pity that the behaviour of the Israeli fans isn't the problem... the ban is because WMP can't keep them safe from the baying mobs of local Muslim youth who are being whipped up by 'elders'..and the antifa mob.. but don't let that be the story on The Guardian left wing fanzine of H&V.

I wouldn't put it like that at all, but the possibility of Israeli football fans being targeted and attacked by locals and pro-Palestine groups is certainly one of the factors at play in all of this as well isn't it?  Allied to that, you've got the possibility of Israeli football fans attacking locals and pro-Palestine groups.  On top of that there is then the possibility of all the above attacking the police and Villa fans just wanting to watch their team play a game of football.

and the risk of people/groups like tiny tommy turning up to shit stir, which has been increased massively by the political response to the ban on away fans.

[algy]

A lot of Islamophobic people use the Jewish people as a cipher for their rampant racism.

I think this is a fair and likely accurate point. Things do change, but the old extremes of certain hooligans like Chelsea etc had signficant links with C18 and that, so I imagine these FLA marches are a bit more confusing for the older heads.

There's a lot of sideways talking though. Zionist is certainly a synonym for some and there's been holocaust trivialising on this thread alone which ought to make folks uncomfortable.

This issue is often the wink-wink vehicle.

I think you're giving such folk a lot of credit - I'm not so sure that they would be troubled by having multiple trains of thought, and therefore avoiding having conflicting ones.

Agree with you entirely on usage of the word 'Zionist'.

[robleflaneur]

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Outrageous to suggest H&V is anywhere near as right wing as The Guardian.

I should hope so after Barney Ronay's article in "The Guardian" describing the ban as a "terrible...and depressing decision"
A no.10 spokesperson has just stated that Starmer's decision to try to overturn the ban was not wrong and talks about trying to hold the match safely are ongoing.When in a hole..
I  suggest that H&V is certainly more left wing than the present Labour government.

[Monty]

That Ronay column was genuinely bizarre.