Other Games 2025-26

[Olneythelonely]

If I ignore everyone I disagreed with on a specific subject, I’d be ignoring some of my favourite posters.

[Smirker]

Don’t feed the troll.

Having a different opinion isn't trolling though. It's posts like that that confirm to me Watkins is beyond criticism for large amounts of our fans.

"Watkins doesn't score enough goals" - must be trolling. Do you genuinely think 17 goals is a good return for his past 61 games? Not assists, not pre assists, just goals.

[pauliewalnuts]

"Watkins doesn't score enough goals" - must be trolling. Do you genuinely think 17 goals is a good return for his past 61 games? Not assists, not pre assists, just goals.

More or less 1 in 3.

Yes, frankly, given the other stuff he does too - and I don't care if you think that doesn't come into it, it should.

Otherwise you could stick Darren Bent on and watch him do literally nothing other than score, which is absolutely not what Ollie does.

And I am by no means a mega Ollie fan, i think you're being very harsh.

[Smirker]

League games is always the barometer. Cup games are of course important but a player can do a Stainrod and score 20 in a season, but 14 were against Exeter in the League Cup second round.

Not really. He's played plenty of times in the Europa League and Champions League. The cup games aren't all against Exeter and the like.

[villadelph]

Don’t feed the troll.

Having a different opinion isn't trolling though. It's posts like that that confirm to me Watkins is beyond criticism for large amounts of our fans.

"Watkins doesn't score enough goals" - must be trolling. Do you genuinely think 17 goals is a good return for his past 61 games? Not assists, not pre assists, just goals.

Sorry, I don’t have anything to spare.

[cdbearsfan]

It's boring now. "Assists don't count" is such a moronic stance to take it isn't worth engaging with any further. VT was better informed on the subject of climate change.

[PeterWithesShin]

Which proves my point, there's a randomness to cup games that isn't there with league games.

And yet again, the modern game requires more than being Darren Bent. So ignoring everything else a modern striker like Ollie does is a bit strange. He scores more than Mateta though.

[Smirker]

"Watkins doesn't score enough goals" - must be trolling. Do you genuinely think 17 goals is a good return for his past 61 games? Not assists, not pre assists, just goals.

More or less 1 in 3.

Yes, frankly, given the other stuff he does too - and I don't care if you think that doesn't come into it, it should.

That's a no.

The discussion from here should be, 'do you think his all round game makes up for his poor goal return?'. That is at least a more reasonable discussion to have.

It shouldn't be, 'his goal return is good enough because he also has assists and runs around a lot'. The latter doesn't mean the former is good enough.

[Olneythelonely]

Don’t feed the troll.

Having a different opinion isn't trolling though. It's posts like that that confirm to me Watkins is beyond criticism for large amounts of our fans.

"Watkins doesn't score enough goals" - must be trolling. Do you genuinely think 17 goals is a good return for his past 61 games? Not assists, not pre assists, just goals.

I’d prefer him to score in every match, each of them the winning goal. So no, it’s not good enough, if you take it in isolation, ignoring everything else he does. Scoring goals is not his only job.

I’d prefer my wife to do more than 15% of the cooking.

[Smirker]

It's boring now. "Assists don't count" is such a moronic stance to take it isn't worth engaging with any further. VT was better informed on the subject of climate change.

If I was arguing about his productivity in a general sense, then they would be relevant yes.

But they are not relevant when I isolate it to goalscoring.

You lot constantly trying to make the argument something it isn't, doesn't make it so. If you disagree with me, fine, but at least have the same discussion that I'm having.

[Dave]

Do you genuinely think 17 goals is a good return for his past 61 games? Not assists, not pre assists, just goals.

If that were representative of his overall time with us, no, it probably wouldn't be. But it isn’t.

Just like that time when we went months without a clean sheet didn't mean we should sell Emi.

If that output is how this season goes, he'll probably end up with around 11 goals or so. If the team scores fewer overall as part of that, then next summer Watkins is on the table as part of the problem. But if it's in the context of Malen, Guessand and Rogers all scoring fifteen as well then there's no problem to discuss.

I think that's where you depart from pretty much everybody else, you seem to think that if a team scores forty and the striker scores twenty, that striker is better than one who scores fifteen in a team that scores fifty. Which is silly.

[Smirker]

Don’t feed the troll.

Having a different opinion isn't trolling though. It's posts like that that confirm to me Watkins is beyond criticism for large amounts of our fans.

"Watkins doesn't score enough goals" - must be trolling. Do you genuinely think 17 goals is a good return for his past 61 games? Not assists, not pre assists, just goals.

I’d prefer him to score in every match, each of them the winning goal. So no, it’s not good enough, if you take it in isolation, ignoring everything else he does. Scoring goals is not his only job.

I’d prefer my wife to do more than 15% of the cooking.

Scoring goals is his primary job. He's a striker. That's their job. Especially when he's the lone striker.

[Olneythelonely]

Scoring goals is his primary job. He's a striker. That's their job. Especially when he's the lone striker.

But that’s where you’re most wrong. I don’t want him scoring 9 more if it means the team scores 10 fewer overall.

[Smirker]

Do you genuinely think 17 goals is a good return for his past 61 games? Not assists, not pre assists, just goals.

I think that's where you depart from pretty much everybody else, you seem to think that if a team scores forty and the striker scores twenty, that striker is better than one who scores fifteen in a team that scores fifty. Which is silly.

I would think that the one who scored 20 goals has a better goal record than the one who scored 15. Which would be fact?

Obviously I can understand the wider point of contribution to the team as a whole but that's not what I'm discussing.

[PeterWithesShin]

Modern football has evolved though. Gone are the days where one thing is all a player is based on. An example would be Joe Hart, excellent shot stopper, number one for England and one of the best sides in the country, couldn't do what else a keeper needs as the game evolved, couldn't get in the Burnley side and ended up in non league with Celtic.