Manchester Utd v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[Pat McMahon]

The worst thing about yesterday was that our run of really tasty gravy and chips around Manchester stadiums came to a horrible end.  :'(

Under-cooked chips, thin gravy… utterly disgraceful what was served up.

Can’t bring myself to think about chips now.

Chips and gravy is a sin against chips anyway 😊

Surely not! I hadn’t even added any cheese in… 

That’s a point in your favour I suppose!

[edgysatsuma89]

Jonathan Wilson telling us we're all being silly, I suppose it's good that he acknowledges our existence in between his think pieces on Guardiola.

This man is so far up his own arse his feet are sticking out of the side of his head.

I don’t normally mind him, but his take that the disallowed goal wasn’t the pivotal moment of the game, rather it was Emi’s daft decision, was odd.

He's one of those who used to be good but has spent the last few years being astonishingly lazy and has been torching the excellent reputation that he once had.

Yes and the lazy parallel to the Sheff Utd phantom goal is another example. If you can’t see the difference with a disallowed goal just before half time, with 8 games to go, and a disallowed goal 17 minutes from the end of the final game again it’s just odd. Both decisions are wrong, but there’s clearly a bit more of a direct correlation with the impact yesterday,

He's even worse to listen to, I find the tone with how he often speaks really quite irritating. I also used to not mind him, but I am a little gutted now when he is on the podcast I listen to.

[django]

Glad it wasn’t just me who found that article annoying and a bit odd. It seems he thinks that pushing PSR to its limit is a crime deserving punishment.

He also takes opposite views on; yesterdays goals being ruled out - there were still 17 minutes to play, anything could have happened; and the Sheffield utds  non goal - if that had counted we’d have been relegated.

In commentary on TNT yesterday Darren Fletcher said “there will be an inquest into this”, McCoist said “you’d think so”

I said to my dad not when it’s Villa it won’t. And guess which one of us was right!

It’s probably the thing that winds me up the most…mistakes happen, fair enough…but we’re not one of the sacred teams that are allowed to bang on about it so our complaints are embarrassing and glossed over. Far less important mistakes effecting more celebrated teams get never ending post mortems. Never mind the more egregious error which is Man City cheating us out of a place…by breaking the rules Wilson criticises us for following…let’s hear an interview with Pep about how important it is to qualify in the champions league places…Aaaaaaghhh!!!!

[Ads]

There is a reason The Guardian is going bust.

[Richard E]

Ah yes, The Manchester Guardian.

[brontebilly]

Jonathan Wilson telling us we're all being silly, I suppose it's good that he acknowledges our existence in between his think pieces on Guardiola.

This man is so far up his own arse his feet are sticking out of the side of his head.

I don’t normally mind him, but his take that the disallowed goal wasn’t the pivotal moment of the game, rather it was Emi’s daft decision, was odd.

He's one of those who used to be good but has spent the last few years being astonishingly lazy and has been torching the excellent reputation that he once had.

Sadly I have to agree with that. Thought his book on Clough was spectacular, a passion project. His book on the two Charltons had the tone of someone who was pissed off he had to write it.

Id agree with the main point of his article though. We shouldn't be needing an inexplicable error from a referee or their backup keeper to beat that shambles of a United team.

[Crown Hill]

Ah yes, The Manchester Guardian.

Has always been awful. Affected nonsense.

[VillaTim]

Jonathan Wilson telling us we're all being silly, I suppose it's good that he acknowledges our existence in between his think pieces on Guardiola.

This man is so far up his own arse his feet are sticking out of the side of his head.

I don’t normally mind him, but his take that the disallowed goal wasn’t the pivotal moment of the game, rather it was Emi’s daft decision, was odd.

He's one of those who used to be good but has spent the last few years being astonishingly lazy and has been torching the excellent reputation that he once had.

Sadly I have to agree with that. Thought his book on Clough was spectacular, a passion project. His book on the two Charltons had the tone of someone who was pissed off he had to write it.

Id agree with the main point of his article though. We shouldn't be needing an inexplicable error from a referee or their backup keeper to beat that shambles of a United team.

Exactly that . The biggest disappointment was the complete no show vs that rabble and we made them look decent . It was a very very odd performance.

[PaulWinch again]

It’s not about needing it though - we didn’t plan for a stupid red card. That would have thrown the plans out, but we responded we took our chance 11 vs 10 and it was denied us through error. We played poorly, but we hadn’t conceded in spite of being a man down and were unfairly denied our lead. To say that isn’t pivotal is just dense.

[Smithy]

It’s not about needing it though - we didn’t plan for a stupid red card. That would have thrown the plans out, but we responded we took our chance 11 vs 10 and it was denied us through error. We played poorly, but we hadn’t conceded in spite of being a man down and were unfairly denied our lead. To say that isn’t pivotal is just dense.

I guarantee that had that goal been allowed, and with Unai fully aware of the scores elsewhere, our game plan would have changed instantly.  We would have played that last 20 minutes in a VERY different manner.

It's all ifs and buts now though. I'm gutted, not just about missing out (which hurts, obv), but the manner in which we missed out.  It's an incident that will be talked about for years, and may well come to be seen as a sliding-doors moment - I hope in the way losing to Fulham in the play-off final turned out to be a massive blessing (I hope, because right now I fail to see how it will be anything other than extremely costly to our long-term ambitions)

Here's to a title challenge next season and a bit of European silverware.

[paul_e]

It’s not about needing it though - we didn’t plan for a stupid red card. That would have thrown the plans out, but we responded we took our chance 11 vs 10 and it was denied us through error. We played poorly, but we hadn’t conceded in spite of being a man down and were unfairly denied our lead. To say that isn’t pivotal is just dense.

I guarantee that had that goal been allowed, and with Unai fully aware of the scores elsewhere, our game plan would have changed instantly.  We would have played that last 20 minutes in a VERY different manner.

It's all ifs and buts now though. I'm gutted, not just about missing out (which hurts, obv), but the manner in which we missed out.  It's an incident that will be talked about for years, and may well come to be seen as a sliding-doors moment - I hope in the way losing to Fulham in the play-off final turned out to be a massive blessing (I hope, because right now I fail to see how it will be anything other than extremely costly to our long-term ambitions)

Here's to a title challenge next season and a bit of European silverware.

We certainly wouldn't have had a 5-10minute spell of looking massively pissed off and losing our heads.

[VillaTim]

It’s not about needing it though - we didn’t plan for a stupid red card. That would have thrown the plans out, but we responded we took our chance 11 vs 10 and it was denied us through error. We played poorly, but we hadn’t conceded in spite of being a man down and were unfairly denied our lead. To say that isn’t pivotal is just dense.

I guarantee that had that goal been allowed, and with Unai fully aware of the scores elsewhere, our game plan would have changed instantly.  We would have played that last 20 minutes in a VERY different manner.

It's all ifs and buts now though. I'm gutted, not just about missing out (which hurts, obv), but the manner in which we missed out.  It's an incident that will be talked about for years, and may well come to be seen as a sliding-doors moment - I hope in the way losing to Fulham in the play-off final turned out to be a massive blessing (I hope, because right now I fail to see how it will be anything other than extremely costly to our long-term ambitions)

Here's to a title challenge next season and a bit of European silverware.

It shouldn't really be talked about for years , in the same way the hawkeye moment shouldn't . But that still gets rolled out yet I suspect this wont be . From a neutrals point of view this is what people love about football , e.g., if this was Spurs or Newcastle we would be laughing at them .

[Mellin]

I'm going to presume not blaming the decision is some form of self-preservation strategy considering the blind rage I've felt for the last 24 hours+. That Wilson article nearly tipped me over the edge.

[brontebilly]

It’s not about needing it though - we didn’t plan for a stupid red card. That would have thrown the plans out, but we responded we took our chance 11 vs 10 and it was denied us through error. We played poorly, but we hadn’t conceded in spite of being a man down and were unfairly denied our lead. To say that isn’t pivotal is just dense.

We were in complete disarray before the red card. Don't get me wrong it was a rotten decision, the whataboutery twaddle about the Sheff United ghost goal is irrelevant too, but we didn't remotely perform yesterday. That's the main reason we aren't playing in the CL next season. The club whinging about the inexperienced referee is a bit embarrassing.

[PaulWinch again]

We were a mess, but the only factual point is that we should have been 1-0 in the 73rd minute. I can’t say for certain, but I’m 90% certain it changes how that game plays out.