Manchester Utd v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[RamboandBruno]

I feel more pragmatic about everything this morning.
We played really poorly yesterday, thats obvious. Most teams other than the team that wins the league, have a few really poor performances in them per season. Bad timing for us being yesterday. However, we scored a goal that would of put us 1-0 up, massively against the run of play, but so what? It changes everything, it gives us something to hold onto, it was an awful decision bu the ref.
At the end of the day though, two years ago we were bouncing because we qualified for the conference. The Europa league will be fine, we’ll have a better chance of winning it. I know the debate about players we can attract, but it is what it is.

[cdbearsfan]

Paddy Power have paid out on Villa finishing top five, plus all the Rogers first goalscorer, shot on target, etc, markets, if that's any use to anyone.

[Somniloquism]

Posting the link below from another thread. An example of VAR intervening after the whistle was blown … at Old Trafford, in favour of the home team!


https://x.com/jimivillan/status/1926725852374421917?s=48&t=LVxR0Bw9iameEdYaLirmDw

As I said last night, if VAR sends the ref to the monitor to award a goal, there is nowhere near the same reaction. There’s more chance that VAR is credited with getting to the right outcome.

If anyone wants to suggest this is some sort of Karma for the ‘ghost goal’, respectfully, give your head a wobble. UTV

But that example is still nothing like ours is it. The whistle is blown, the ball is dead. Anything before the whistle can be reviewed if it comes under the remit of VAR, anything afterwards could not. So that example was a foul during the live period, so VAR can continue reviewing it. If the ref had blown for full time or a foul a second before that incident, VAR wasn't bringing back for a penalty.

[Russ aka Big Nose]

Posting the link below from another thread. An example of VAR intervening after the whistle was blown … at Old Trafford, in favour of the home team!


https://x.com/jimivillan/status/1926725852374421917?s=48&t=LVxR0Bw9iameEdYaLirmDw

As I said last night, if VAR sends the ref to the monitor to award a goal, there is nowhere near the same reaction. There’s more chance that VAR is credited with getting to the right outcome.

If anyone wants to suggest this is some sort of Karma for the ‘ghost goal’, respectfully, give your head a wobble. UTV

But that example is still nothing like ours is it. The whistle is blown, the ball is dead. Anything before the whistle can be reviewed if it comes under the remit of VAR, anything afterwards could not. So that example was a foul during the live period, so VAR can continue reviewing it. If the ref had blown for full time or a foul a second before that incident, VAR wasn't bringing back for a penalty.

So, are you genuinely arguing that there would be a problem if VAR reviewed the decision?

Not what is the letter of the law, but with play stopped (with the ball in the back of the net), sending the ref to the monitor to get the decision right has to be the only sensible outcome.

Otherwise, there is no point in VAR.

[Brazilian Villain]

17 minutes from the end of a season we score a perfectly good goal. To wake us up? Get us nice and solid? Change the performance? Maybe catch them on the break again? Maybe break them with "we've actually played well and we're still losing?" Maybe get them thinking about how much they don't want a 12 flight after this? A goal to probably get us a win or a draw at least. 17 minutes, despite everything on the day, for the entire season.

Goals change games, that goal changed a season. For all the "if only we'd done X at Y" which ignores all the "we did A and B at C to even be there" 17 minutes from time, at Old Trafford, 1 nil up needing 1 point but actually having 3.

Agree with this. I think if the Rogers goal had stood, we'd have got the result required for top 5.

[The Edge]

Dermot Gallagher agrees, the goal should have stood.  It really is a very poor decision.

Yeah I saw that. He started off being his usual evasive self looking to cover his mates arse but eventually he come clean and admitted it was a terrible decision. Blowing his whistle when he did was beyond idiotic. I thought Stephen Warnock was bang on and didn't hold back. He even cited the fact that the club has every right to be angry as his mistake has likely cost us in the region of 100 million quid. I'm glad I said hello to him now when I saw him at Birmingham Airport recently.

[Dogtanian]

The worst thing about yesterday was that our run of really tasty gravy and chips around Manchester stadiums came to a horrible end.  :'(

Under-cooked chips, thin gravy… utterly disgraceful what was served up.

Can’t bring myself to think about chips now.

[aj2k77]

Dermot Gallagher agrees, the goal should have stood.  It really is a very poor decision.

Yeah I saw that. He started off being his usual evasive self looking to cover his mates arse but eventually he come clean and admitted it was a terrible decision. Blowing his whistle when he did was beyond idiotic. I thought Stephen Warnock was bang on and didn't hold back. He even cited the fact that the club has every right to be angry as his mistake has likely cost us in the region of 100 million quid. I'm glad I said hello to him now when I saw him at Birmingham Airport recently.

Actually the only mistake the ref made was the decision. You know, the only thing that matters. Gallagher is a twat, he must be the original source of DNA all refs have been cloned from.

[Stu]

I still hate them all.

[olaftab]

Gutted. Will not be the same on Tuesday/Wednesday nights.
All week I have been telling whoever asked that if we will we'll be in CL but when I mattered we didn't and all we had to do was draw.

And all week they’ve been going “Aftab’s been on the drink again!”

Haha...You are right Ducksworthy, just read it again and I think I let myself down, however in my defence it was shortly after that game and my head wasn't right and to be honest it still isn't. :'(

[olaftab]

The Europa league will be fine, we’ll have a better chance of winning it.

We didn't exactly stink out the CL, we lost the quarter final by a goal in 9 so I think we had a good chance of winning that as well.

[olaftab]

I think if the Rogers goal had stood, we'd have got the result required for top 5.

Yes indeed. As you know I don't know any swear words but if I did I would have been uttering  profanities ever since the final whistle yesterday. All Bramballsup had to do was disallow it after it hit the net, VAR would have sorted him.

[Nii Lamptey]

Had a lingering doubt we'd do what was required up there. Those feckers always seem to come out on top, usually through some controversial moment.

Off the top of my head....

• Vidic should have seen red in the League Cup final in 2010
• The Fernandes penalty where he trod on Konsa's foot in the penalty area
• The Rogers goal yesterday

There are almost certainly more which I have erased from living memory. In hindsight, I'm glad they lost that Europa final the other night. Tossers.

[Paul.S]

Had a lingering doubt we'd do what was required up there. Those feckers always seem to come out on top, usually through some controversial moment.

Off the top of my head....

• Vidic should have seen red in the League Cup final in 2010
• The Fernandes penalty where he trod on Konsa's foot in the penalty area
• The Rogers goal yesterday

There are almost certainly more which I have erased from living memory. In hindsight, I'm glad they lost that Europa final the other night. Tossers.

92 and those 7 minutes of injury time which was unheard of then. Not against us but we were in a battle for the league with them.

[kippaxvilla2]

A summer dreaming of signing Jonathan David now turns into hoping we can get Kevin Philips over the line.