Manchester Utd v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[Ian.]

Fucking Man Utd. It’s like athletes foot. A couples times a season it rears its ugly head and  pisses me off for a few hours.

Looking on the bright side they're stuck with Amorim now. They haven't qualified for Europe for the first time in donkeys years and their ground is a rat infested dump.

I suppose, every silver lining.

How good would it be to see them relegated next year. A season where we might* gain another four to six points.


*might!

[amfy]

If the goal happened while the ball was live, VAR can check. The ball was dead today, so VAR can't. Continually blaming VAR when VAR was used correctly is pointless.

But you can say that VAR could be used differently.

[PeterWithesShin]

You can, but that's not what a lot are doing.

And as said before, play to the whistle is the most basic thing in football. How long after the whistle do you play for? How do you deal with someone stopping because of the whistle.

The rule on this is fine, the execution by the ref is the error, not the system. For once.

[Drummond]

It belongs in the bin with the yellow kit that got us knocked out of the cup at Liverpool that time.

Agreed. One strike and your out.

We'd be changing kits a lot each season.

[cdbearsfan]

It belongs in the bin with the yellow kit that got us knocked out of the cup at Liverpool that time.

Agreed. One strike and your out.

We'd be changing kits a lot each season.

We end up finding luckier kits and win loads of trophies, the club gets to make even more money selling twenty new outfits a year. Win, win.

[edgysatsuma89]

You can, but that's not what a lot are doing.

And as said before, play to the whistle is the most basic thing in football. How long after the whistle do you play for? How do you deal with someone stopping because of the whistle.

The rule on this is fine, the execution by the ref is the error, not the system. For once.

Play to 10 seconds after the whistle. Everyone count in your head. I'm going Mississippis.

[Russ aka Big Nose]

For all those saying, “the ref made a mistake/fucked up, but so did Emery/Cash/Martinez, etc.”

With respect, that is true, but the difference is that a much vaunted and expensive system exists to correct obvious mistakes. VAR is not flawed, how it is used is $hit.

Every game sees multiple occasions where the match officials, including the VAR officials ignore ignore certain protocols or guidance or straight up ignore the laws of the game for the sake of the “entertainment/occasion”.

Put simply, if the ref was advised to go to the pitch side monitor and he changed his decision and awarded the Rogers ‘goal’, does anyone think there would be 5% of the condemnation or outrage that there has been?

[PeterWithesShin]

Yes because they'd have broken a rule rather than make a mistake.

[paul_e]

Agreed, and at risk of repeating myself far too many times, the outrage isn't because he gave a foul incorrectly, it's that he did it as Rogers was shooting meaning there was no options to review it. He's undermined the entire purpose of VAR and I have no idea why.

[PaulWinch again]

Agreed, and at risk of repeating myself far too many times, the outrage isn't because he gave a foul incorrectly, it's that he did it as Rogers was shooting meaning there was no options to review it. He's undermined the entire purpose of VAR and I have no idea why.

It’s because he’s cocked up and I suspect experience probably played a bit part.

[amfy]

You can, but that's not what a lot are doing.

And as said before, play to the whistle is the most basic thing in football. How long after the whistle do you play for? How do you deal with someone stopping because of the whistle.

The rule on this is fine, the execution by the ref is the error, not the system. For once.

The length of time is clearly only a second or two - because we are talking amount the 'moments' after the whistle being blown where no one has had time to stop, not the attackers, or defenders, the ball is on its way and no one is getting to it whether the whistle has gone or not.

[paul_e]

Agreed, and at risk of repeating myself far too many times, the outrage isn't because he gave a foul incorrectly, it's that he did it as Rogers was shooting meaning there was no options to review it. He's undermined the entire purpose of VAR and I have no idea why.

It’s because he’s cocked up and I suspect experience probably played a bit part.

Yes, probably, which is exactly the point the club made, but according to some that's just petty.

[Beard82]

For all those saying, “the ref made a mistake/fucked up, but so did Emery/Cash/Martinez, etc.”

With respect, that is true, but the difference is that a much vaunted and expensive system exists to correct obvious mistakes. VAR is not flawed, how it is used is $hit.

Every game sees multiple occasions where the match officials, including the VAR officials ignore ignore certain protocols or guidance or straight up ignore the laws of the game for the sake of the “entertainment/occasion”.

Put simply, if the ref was advised to go to the pitch side monitor and he changed his decision and awarded the Rogers ‘goal’, does anyone think there would be 5% of the condemnation or outrage that there has been?

Ultimtaley best appraoch is for the referee to not fuck up, and refuse to follow procedure,  Then they and VAR can do what the fuck they like

[PeterWithesShin]

It's massively frustrating, and shouldn't have happened. But none of us have experienced that pressure of making a split second decision in a massive game. Emi is far more experienced but also fucked up in the heat of the moment. He shouldn't have made a challenge akin to Boris Johnson in that charity match.

[Dave]

You can, but that's not what a lot are doing.

And as said before, play to the whistle is the most basic thing in football. How long after the whistle do you play for? How do you deal with someone stopping because of the whistle.

The rule on this is fine, the execution by the ref is the error, not the system. For once.

The length of time is clearly only a second or two - because we are talking amount the 'moments' after the whistle being blown where no one has had time to stop, not the attackers, or defenders, the ball is on its way and no one is getting to it whether the whistle has gone or not.

All of that is true, and the VAR still made the correct and only decision that they could make.