Manchester Utd v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[PeterWithesShin]

Pretty sure everyone knows that when the ref blows play is dead. The system did nothing wrong today, the ref blowing too soon is the fuck up.

We've even had decisions where a game has ended, only for a penalty to be reviewed and given after the final whistle. 

A decsion based on an incident while the ball was live.

[N'ZMAV]

goal difference was the pain in the arse

[saint13]

Two draws against fucking Ipswich cost us. Win either of those games and this afternoons shit show would have been irrelevant.

That's it for me. I have been saying for some weeks now, that I thought we would finish 6th and the most decisive results for me were taking only 2 points from a terrible Ipswich team. I think only us & Spuds have failed to beat Ipswich this season.

That has cost us big time.

The 4 that cost us the most are these two, Bournemouth at home and Man City.

But, every club can list games of lost points.

Yes I get all that, but Forest, Man City & B'mouth are all decent teams, Ipswich have been shit all year and one of the worst Premier League teams ever.

[SoccerHQ]

We've had some horrible decisions v them over last 30 years. However I'm struggling to get worked out too much about it as our mindset was all wrong today.

They are on their knees as a club. Even after starting well today and putting in their best first half for many months there were no "United, United" chants from their fanbase so their fans were just waiting for them to get beaten so we should've reacted to that.

Instead we constantly lost all 50/50s and didn't want to risk anything so that leads to stuff like awful back passes from Cash.

I think half of this squad have reached the end of the line with us given the level we operate now. No issue with a few of them staying as experienced backups but Cash cost us big time and I think McGinn was horrible today. Offered nothing in attack and couldn't even track Mazaouri/Dalot properly which caused all sorts of issues down our left.

Writing on the wall a bit for Ramsey as he hasn't started any of PSG second leg, cup SF and final day crunch match.

Going to be an interesting summer you suspect. At least we have possible CL qualification from two separate routes as way we played today we did not even deserve Conference league.

[eamonn]

Absolutely gutted with the result, the wrongly disallowed goal, going down to 10 men and our abysmal performance. If the goal was allowed to stand, we'll never know if we would have gone to avoid defeat.

No  the only thing we can know for sure is that we had a 100% legitimate goal chalked off because of incompetence. Nothing else matters and trying to justify it as "maybe they'd have worked harder and won 3-1 instead" or that we should account for a decision like that is just some weird coping bullshit. The ref has fucked up and cost us but some people would rather bitch and moan at Maatsen, Emery, Martinez, etc and I have no fucking idea why.

No idea why? How about if they had turned-up and performed, we wouldn't have needed to count on the ref to make a correct call? I know you don't generally criticise the team even when we play poorly but surely you can understand folkbeing pissed-off with how we failed to turn-up first and foremost.

[Stu]

Pretty sure everyone knows that when the ref blows play is dead. The system did nothing wrong today, the ref blowing too soon is the fuck up.

VAR then.

But then the defending team will claim that when they heard the ref’s whistle they stopped playing

Incorrect whistle. Corrected an obvious mistake.

[KevinGage]

Recency bias will inform a lot of fan's view of the season.

BUT in the league you end up where you deserve. Looking back  - are these the games where we blew it:

2 draws against Ipswich.

Conceding a late equaliser against Bournemouth at home -
2 points dropped

Conceding a late winner at C115ty - 1 point dropped.

Being 0-1 at Forest and conceding in the 87th and 90+3 - 3 points dropped.

A period of calm reflection is needed.

That and the realisation that with Mings in defence, we were much more solid. Should he have come on today when we went down to 10 men.

Why can't Emery set us up against sides with a back 3?

Mings may or may not be a fading force.

But he was responsible for a big upturn in our defensive play when he returned to the side this year. And played a big role in helping us get European football in Emery's first season.

It would take a special player to keep him out and Pau ain't that.

Whatever affection Mings may have for the club following his six years here, if he did decide it move on in the summer I couldn't blame him at all.

[Dave]

Pretty sure everyone knows that when the ref blows play is dead. The system did nothing wrong today, the ref blowing too soon is the fuck up.

Except VAR can go back, review and override decisions.  We've even had decisions where a game has ended, only for a penalty to be reviewed and given after the final whistle. 

I agree that the under the current rules then the correct process was followed, but after seeing that today you do have to question if that is the right process.

The process is fine. The daft decision to blow the whistle was the only problem.

[paul_e]

I’m not sure rather - it’s both, ref fucked up with a terrible mistake. But we were also diabolically bad. We should have been 1-0 in front, and we might have won, but we also might have lost given how we’d played.

But again only the bold stuff is actual fact. Everything after that is possibilities and, as I said earlier, it's not like a team winning against the run of play is unusual.

[eamonn]

Europa is easier to win these days as you don't have a bunch of CL sides dropping in halfway through. Doesn't mean we'll win it, we're Villa, but we have a good chance.

Doing better in the league while in the Europa compared to being in the CL is probably harder though due to the heavy number of shite Thursday to Sunday turn-arounds.

[Stu]

Pretty sure everyone knows that when the ref blows play is dead. The system did nothing wrong today, the ref blowing too soon is the fuck up.

Except VAR can go back, review and override decisions.  We've even had decisions where a game has ended, only for a penalty to be reviewed and given after the final whistle. 

I agree that the under the current rules then the correct process was followed, but after seeing that today you do have to question if that is the right process.

The process is fine. The daft decision to blow the whistle was the only problem.

Blowing the whistle is part of the process. VAR is supposed to correct clear and obvious errors, it's mental that a ref blowing up for whatever means no VAR.

[itbrvilla]

Europa is easier to win these days as you don't have a bunch of CL sides dropping in halfway through. Doesn't mean we'll win it, we're Villa, but we have a good chance.

Doing better in the league while in the Europa compared to being in the CL is probably harder though due to the heavy number of shite Thursday to Sunday turn-arounds.

spot on. Great I your a club with a huge turnover than our

[kippaxvilla2]

A referee that no one’s ever heard of to referee a game of that magnitude is bordering on corruption.

He's on the list. You're suggesting that he was paid to make a mistake, or someone else was paid to make him make a mistake.

Well I thought you might defend him him being from Sheffield and all.

[Dave]

Pretty sure everyone knows that when the ref blows play is dead. The system did nothing wrong today, the ref blowing too soon is the fuck up.

Except VAR can go back, review and override decisions.  We've even had decisions where a game has ended, only for a penalty to be reviewed and given after the final whistle. 

I agree that the under the current rules then the correct process was followed, but after seeing that today you do have to question if that is the right process.

The process is fine. The daft decision to blow the whistle was the only problem.

Blowing the whistle is part of the process. VAR is supposed to correct clear and obvious errors, it's mental that a ref blowing up for whatever means no VAR.

But anything that happens with the ball after the whistle has blown hasn't happened. Because the ball is no longer in play.

[JUAN PABLO]

We did look very passive most of first half. I guess the plan was to go for it second half, without the red we would have every chance to get something out of it even one down at halftime.  No way we where going to get something second half down to ten and Olsen in goal.

Im getting sick of this passive first half, it was Manure ffs , the worse manure team in decades , I want the villa who goes for the throat straight away and gets those early goals.