Manchester Utd v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[saint13]

Two draws against fucking Ipswich cost us. Win either of those games and this afternoons shit show would have been irrelevant.

That's it for me. I have been saying for some weeks now, that I thought we would finish 6th and the most decisive results for me were taking only 2 points from a terrible Ipswich team. I think only us & Spuds have failed to beat Ipswich this season.

That has cost us big time.

[IFWaters]

So should the FA clarify that a ref shouldn't blow his whistle until after a passage of play is over, so VAR can review if needs be?

The so-called Rogers Rule?

[andyh]

John McGinn: "I don't think anyone in the dressing room or anyone watching the game felt we deserved to win. Manchester United deserved to win. They were the better team and were on front foot. But the decision [Rogers goal] is incredible." It's so hard to take, the impact on us as a club. For Thomas to blow his whistle at that point, it's tough to handle."

That’s true, but the first bit - why? That’s the second huge game in recent times where we’ve been completely outplayed. That’s not good enough.

Agreed, comment on why we shit the bed, again, please Ginny.

[JUAN PABLO]

That last minute goal at Man City....

and bournemth..  should have walked it really.

[IFWaters]

If you want to boil the season down to a single moment that 94th minute winner at Maine Road did us

[Stu]

Pretty sure everyone knows that when the ref blows play is dead. The system did nothing wrong today, the ref blowing too soon is the fuck up.

VAR then.

[PeterWithesShin]

Two draws against fucking Ipswich cost us. Win either of those games and this afternoons shit show would have been irrelevant.

That's it for me. I have been saying for some weeks now, that I thought we would finish 6th and the most decisive results for me were taking only 2 points from a terrible Ipswich team. I think only us & Spuds have failed to beat Ipswich this season.

That has cost us big time.

Chelsea took 1 point from Ipswich.

[Mellin]

Premier League Match Centre

@PLMatchCentre
#MUNAVL – 72’

The referee’s call was a free kick to Manchester United with Bayindir deemed to be in control of the ball before Rogers gained possession. The whistle was blown by the referee before the ball entered the goal, therefore the incident was not reviewable by the VAR.

I mean, these are rules which no one knows about until all of a sudden they apply. This is PGMOL working rules into a very simple virtual assistant referee system which they have mismanaged from the start.

I'd sue the fuckers for £80m+ for lost revenue.

Fucking damn right.

[brontebilly]

Surpassed even the surrender at Wembley. Impossible to describe how bad we were. Somehow we were still in the game until the ref rode us. Joe Cole calling it right here, we didn't show up. Against the worst Man United team in living memory. A striker at 50% level of Rooney/Van Persie gets a hat trick, Hojlund was arguably our best player. Right from the first minute we had stage fright. At least Palace has liked of Eze, this United team had basically nobody.

Unfathomable decision not to start Mings given what was at stake. But Cash and then Martinez made a collosal fuck up before half time. Emery sat on his hands far too long with subs, though Ramsey made no impact, could have helped Maatsen for the first. Emerys faith in his two big summer signings was unfortunately badly misplaced. That's the last we should see of Onana, complete fraud. Watkins and Rogers were pathetic

Martinez 0 - I think his starting position is wrong, when Cash checks back he should be much higher up. But he just lost it then, for such an experienced player it just beggared belief.
Cash 4 - terrible pass obviously. Tried hard in second half to make up for it in fairness, won a good few tackles. Looked our most likely to score which says a lot
Konsa 5 - the only one of our back 5 not to make a crazy error on the day. But a leader, no chance.
Torres 3 - rubbish. Caught in possession at start of second half that should have been punished. Distribution poor and chocolate teapot presence wise.
Maatsen 0 - Second half from hell, surpassing Konsa at Ipswich as worst individual performance of the season. At fault for both goals. That foul for penalty was embarrassing with ball going towards corner flag. His head was gone early in second half and Emery should have recognised it and brought Digne in.
Rogers 2 - zero support for Cash defensively and just offered zilch with it either. Attitude a bit suspect. Fatigue obviously an issue in a great season but Emery far too loyal to him.
Onana 1 - the absolute end for me and the first man out the door this summer. Couldn't trap a bag of sand, whinging when he was eventually taken off was laughable. 50m!!
Kamara 4 - not good enough again in a big game. Picked it up a bit in second half with Cash on that side. Seemed flat
McGinn 3 - game passed our captain by. For once I couldn't complain with him being hooked early.
Asensio - unfortunate really, one of the few to get a pass early on and then had to come off after Martinez moment of madness.
Watkins 3 - dreadful, his first half performance was just rotten from one of our most experienced players. That mahogany first touch in full display. Somehow made a mess of putting Ramsey through in second

Ramsey made little impact, Tielemans was decent enough. Olsen made one great save but Martinez at his best probably puts Anand into A&E for the first. Barkley and Malen didnt get enough time.

Emery - sadly a repeat of the Palace big freeze. 66 point season still a fine achievement but we blew it spectacularly today. Can't fathom leaving Mings out today or at Wembley. Rogers on right again... predictably didn't work. Two managerial blindspots there. Had a right to expect more of his two big signings, Maatsen and Onana, who flopped massively today. Too slow to make changes, like his players he just froze.

[andyh]

Two draws against fucking Ipswich cost us. Win either of those games and this afternoons shit show would have been irrelevant.

That's it for me. I have been saying for some weeks now, that I thought we would finish 6th and the most decisive results for me were taking only 2 points from a terrible Ipswich team. I think only us & Spuds have failed to beat Ipswich this season.

That has cost us big time.

The 4 that cost us the most are these two, Bournemouth at home and Man City.

But, every club can list games of lost points.

[ez]

It all went wrong. The disallowed goal was not our fault but surely we can keep a clean sheet even with a player sent off. Get everyone behind the ball. Did Emery even know Newcastle were losing?

[Chip Butty 111]

It was a definite penalty. I like how the referee gave himself time to think before awarding it, this shows to me that he has what it takes to be a top referee at this level.

A pity the ref had made a career limiting decision earlier, by not giving giving himself time to think before awarding anything when we were attacking?

[PeterWithesShin]

1 up at Forest with 3 to play. Every team that falls short can point to multiple moments. That there's multiple moments is why they fall short.

[Halfway to Moseley]

Man Utd have been average to crap for ages now. At what point does their psychological hold over referees wear off? Still giving them dodgy decisions as if Fergie is breathing down their necks.

[andyh]

I think I totally agree with Brontebillys summary