Aston Villa v Palace Post-Match Thread

[Lucky Eddie]

Palace had clearly sold the section directly behind their goal to a select of their own support, and it worked.

No excuses though.

69 years it is.

[BoVillan esq]

Can someone who knows, tell us about the who does what based on league standings please?  We know the top 5 finish in the Champs League, Newcastle winning the League cup does what to the finishing places, Europa, Conference placings etc if Palace win the cup or not?  ta.

That's what I was wondering.

[Stu]

Best chance of a trophy for this team before it’s broken up. PSR will be out for us and a few players will be going.

after tonight , Im not that bothered ....

Snooker went on at 7pm on the dot.

[Mellin]

Out of interest, across those games is the only difference Mings or Torres playing?

Of course not, but if you're discounting data that conclusive then all statistical analysis involving variables needs to be ruled void.

No, but we also know that Carlos/Pau with Konsa at RB was better than Konsa/Pau with Cash at RB.

Yes, precisely. Stats like that can be misleading, because there’s a whole host of variables. I don’t doubt Mings is a more dominant defender, I just don’t think it translates into Torres being a waste of space. I think in form and in the right combination they’re both proven to have been very valuable players.

Stats can prove a lot of things and nothing. See above, Diego Carlos 🚨

Please use stats to prove that Konsa/Pau with Cash at right-back was a better defence than Carlos/Pau with Konsa at right-back.

I’ll wait.

What about Carlos/Torres with Cash at right back? I'm not sure how much it has to do with Cash. He is fine in the Konsa/Mings setup.

[pauliewalnuts]

Lots of talk about the defence but how about the near total lack of energy or drive going forward?

All that pointless passing and stroking it around the middle of the pitch and hoping for a Hollywood pass to create something?

Just laughably shit. Embarrassing.

[alan_clarke]

Lots to dissect today.

And on the evidence of today, you could judge Rogers as a Championship level player. But we know that isn’t the case.

I do think Mings being a better option than Torres in a lot of situations is a valid conversation though.

[AV82EC]

Out of interest, across those games is the only difference Mings or Torres playing?

Of course not, but if you're discounting data that conclusive then all statistical analysis involving variables needs to be ruled void.

No, but we also know that Carlos/Pau with Konsa at RB was better than Konsa/Pau with Cash at RB.

Yes, precisely. Stats like that can be misleading, because there’s a whole host of variables. I don’t doubt Mings is a more dominant defender, I just don’t think it translates into Torres being a waste of space. I think in form and in the right combination they’re both proven to have been very valuable players.

Stats can prove a lot of things and nothing. See above, Diego Carlos 🚨

Please use stats to prove that Konsa/Pau with Cash at right-back was a better defence than Carlos/Pau with Konsa at right-back.

I’ll wait.

What about Carlos/Torres with Cash at right back? I'm not sure how much it has to do with Cash. He is fine in the Konsa/Mings setup.

Apologies but without wishing to take this down a Cash angle, he definitely isn’t fine in any setup. He’s not good enough imv.

As you were…

[PeterWithesShin]

Getting mugged off by Palace for 100 minutes at Wembley would kill the atmosphere for anyone.

[Lucky Eddie]

Getting mugged off by Palace for 100 minutes at Wembley would kill the atmosphere for anyone.

From the first minute?

[SaddVillan]

John McGinn, speaking to BBC:

"Obviously massive disappointment. The manager spoke at length in there to remind us of how far we've come. It's not to get away from the disappointment.

"What was at stake today was huge for both clubs, but for us we are craving success and a trophy. The club has not experienced that for a long time. But the manager doesn't have to rant and rave, it was a huge disappointment.

"We're going to use the hurt from today to come back stronger next season and hopefully get the supporters another trip to Wembley. The overriding feeling is hurt and disappointment. We've got an important last four games to achieve European football again and get us back to the Champions League so we can't sulk for too long."

"We have had a lot of praise for last couple of seasons, now we will get criticism. We've got to take it on the chin, puff our chests out and try to stay together.

"It is easy for a day like this to disrupt and dismantle what we are building but we are building something special. Everyone within the club and outside the club can see that. The manager, the staff and the owners we've got, this club is set up and we'll be back here.

"At the moment it stings, but some days football comes and punches you in the face and today is one of those days."

Strong comments.
Showing honesty and leadership.

[PeterWithesShin]

Getting mugged off by Palace for 100 minutes at Wembley would kill the atmosphere for anyone.

From the first minute?

You could clearly hear the Villa fans early on.

[adrenachrome]

Stanloi on on X:

FT 0-3 Huge congratulations to everyone at Palace, turned up on and off the pitch. On it, fresher, sharper and more tenacious, played the tactical game superbly and put a ponderous Villa to the sword when needed. 3 superb finishes befitting the Wembley stage. Villa simply didn't match Palace's tenacity at all, and in English football, you don't do that, you're pushing water up a hill. Villa played a European cagey second leg ( first half especially) when toe to toe at tempo was needed.
 Good luck in the Final to @CEO4TAG and everyone at Palace. Well done

https://x.com/StanCollymore/status/1916193279567188040

[Hopadop]

All awful, except SJM, Bailey and (first half) Ollie. I understand the 'Konsa likes playing with Mings" stat, but he was awful.

They must love playing us. I hope they get absolutely ruined in the final.

Really? I don’t like Palace but I’d rather they win it than Forest or City - and if they play like they did today they’ll deserve it.

I'm afraid so. I know it's petty, but their happiness has just compounded my misery today.

Man City ( I know, but who really cares if they win, they'll still consider it a shit season), Forest, Palace in that order.

That was Palace's cup final today, like ours was against Liverpool. A great day out and wild celebrations, but you've won nothing. The real thing will be a damp squib.

Absolutely fuck Wembley and semi finals.

[PaulWinch again]

Lots of talk about the defence but how about the near total lack of energy or drive going forward?

All that pointless passing and stroking it around the middle of the pitch and hoping for a Hollywood pass to create something?

Just laughably shit. Embarrassing.

Yep and this is the biggest problem when we set up like this (whether it’s intended or not) we cannot go up through the gears. You can see the difference- against PSG we were 2-0 early but we had come out of the blocks with purpose so we could pick that up and carry through.

Today we did the thing where we just pass it around pointlessly, let the opposition reorganise and then go back. We pretty much never up the levels when we play like that. To make it all the worse we have done exactly this against Palace a lot of late and have got hammered each time. It’s disastrous on every level.

[DC1874]

Sorry but our fans were shit today - made Palace "ultras" sound like AC Milan ☹️