Aston Villa v Palace Post-Match Thread

[JUAN PABLO]

Best chance of a trophy for this team before it’s broken up. PSR will be out for us and a few players will be going.

after tonight , Im not that bothered ....

[The Edge]

That was as bad as the 4-0 thrashing by Arsenal 10 years ago!

Much much worse. Their disallowed goal should of stood and Mateta missed a penalty. Should of been 5-0 and they're Crystal Palace not fucking Arsenal.

[Percy McCarthy]

Out of interest, across those games is the only difference Mings or Torres playing?

I doubt it, the defences were very much the same. Martinez, Cash, Digne and Konsa for the vast majority of both players games. The rest of the team I'm not sure and don't have the heart to look tonight.

Apart from the games (largely the only ones we played well defensively without Mings) when he was partnered by Carlos, with Konsa at RB. (13 clean sheets with Konsa at RB, 15 for Carlos/Pau altogether). Only Konsa/Mings can perform keep a miraculous number of clean sheets with Cashy dragging them down.

Without those Pau’s stats would be even worse.

[Grande Pablo]

Everything everyone has said is bang on.  I wonder how soon Unai knew of Rashford's absence which knocked our plans into a cocked hat.

We've tried matching Palace's line up & got tonked 4-1 at Selhurst earlier this season.  The midfield is where is was lost - we were allowed no time on the ball & ultimately Youri being robbed twice led to Sarr's 2 goals.

Onana would have been a more dynamic replacement than Barkley.

Our season now demands 4 wins to rescue the best possible league position we can possibly muster.  Europa League qualification is fine with me, but that will demolish our PSR.

[SoccerHQ]

Suddenly turned into a pretty crap season

It hasn't been crap. We've juggled deep runs in three different competitions. Liverpool been runaway leaders for months but they blew up in three cups within two weeks. Man. United and Spurs gave up premier league months ago to win Europa league and at least one will fail, hopefully both. Arsenal also can prioritise the CL given their title bid ended in January.

What concerns me more than anything is yet again we're gone deep in a competition and looked completely petrified of actually winning something.

If we'd gone out today in PSG manner it would hurt but you have to accept that but too often we just don't believe we're going enough to win these trophies and today wasn't even a game against one of the tournament favourites.

We will never win a significant trophy again without taking the initiative and some risks in big games away from VP. Very concerned we chucked that performance in with a high level manager like Emery in charge.

[PaulWinch again]

Out of interest, across those games is the only difference Mings or Torres playing?

Of course not, but if you're discounting data that conclusive then all statistical analysis involving variables needs to be ruled void.

No, but we also know that Carlos/Pau with Konsa at RB was better than Konsa/Pau with Cash at RB.

Yes, precisely. Stats like that can be misleading, because there’s a whole host of variables. I don’t doubt Mings is a more dominant defender, I just don’t think it translates into Torres being a waste of space. I think in form and in the right combination they’re both proven to have been very valuable players.

[puppyfeat]

I think it's safe to say we peaked too soon. Shot our bolt with the two magical nights against PSG and Newcastle. A possible Europa league spot is the best we can hope for. I just can't see how Unai can rally them to win the last four games to even give us a chance of a CL spot. The dressing room must be as flat as my misses after she breastfed the twins.

I think if we don't make the Europa League, I think we could easily be looking for a new manager in the summer, Uni loves his Euro Comp's

If so we could do a lot worse than the guy that just embarrassed Emery - again - though we’d have a lot of competition

[The Edge]

Well no, I’m not sure there isn’t validity there. But I doubt it translates to Mings is so significantly better for the team - which I think is the point of presenting it.

Mings is definitely a better defender and provides much more of a physical presence although I think neither can be part of our defence if we're looking to get amongst the European elite.

[astonvilla82]

Had to babysit the grandkids while my lad went to Wembley because I wanted him to have the enjoyment I had of seeing Aston Villa winning trophies, kids were a nightmare just like our performance and absolutely gutted for those young people who have never seen jack shit especially the FA cup

[SoccerHQ]

That was as bad as the 4-0 thrashing by Arsenal 10 years ago!

Worse surely. That Arsenal 11 was streets ahead of what we put out. Beyond the Palace front three we had more top level experience and probably quality and yet we stank it out today big time.

[PeterWithesShin]

A far worse result than Arsenal. They were simply a miles better side than us, and it showed. We were just shit today.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

There's still good times ahead, days like this will make them all the sweeter.

I said something very similar almost 25 years ago.

[PaulWinch again]

Well no, I’m not sure there isn’t validity there. But I doubt it translates to Mings is so significantly better for the team - which I think is the point of presenting it.

Mings is definitely a better defender and provides much more of a physical presence although I think neither can be part of our defence if we're looking to get amongst the European elite.

I don’t know - we beat Bayern, PSG, and Man Citeh and in all those games Torres played.

[Percy McCarthy]

Out of interest, across those games is the only difference Mings or Torres playing?

Of course not, but if you're discounting data that conclusive then all statistical analysis involving variables needs to be ruled void.

No, but we also know that Carlos/Pau with Konsa at RB was better than Konsa/Pau with Cash at RB.

Yes, precisely. Stats like that can be misleading, because there’s a whole host of variables. I don’t doubt Mings is a more dominant defender, I just don’t think it translates into Torres being a waste of space. I think in form and in the right combination they’re both proven to have been very valuable players.

Absolutely. Good players, not an effective partnership. Throw Cash in the mix and you’re asking for trouble. I’m amazed normal* people haven’t worked this out, no matter how many times it has been proven to be true.

* not amazed that half-wits haven’t worked it out as can be seen later in the thread.

[brontebilly]

Out of interest, across those games is the only difference Mings or Torres playing?

Of course not, but if you're discounting data that conclusive then all statistical analysis involving variables needs to be ruled void.

No, but we also know that Carlos/Pau with Konsa at RB was better than Konsa/Pau with Cash at RB.

Yes, precisely. Stats like that can be misleading, because there’s a whole host of variables. I don’t doubt Mings is a more dominant defender, I just don’t think it translates into Torres being a waste of space. I think in form and in the right combination they’re both proven to have been very valuable players.

Stats can prove a lot of things and nothing. See above, Diego Carlos 🚨