Aston Villa v Palace Post-Match Thread

[PaulWinch again]

Sure it's been done to death, but do the stats back up that Pau is a wet fart and we shit the bed with him in defence?

I hate to labour this point - he wasn’t good, Konsa was worse. But he played against Bayern, Juventus, Citeh when we won, nearly all of our run in the first half of last season. The idea that he’s utterly hopeless isn’t true. Get he’s not done well at times of late, but the idea he’s useless just doesn’t stack up.

[manic-road]

I thought that Mings would start to battle with Matata, but how we played we would have still got battered. Dreadful all over, out fought out played and out sang.

Wharton took the ball off our midfield so many times, would love to see him in a Villa shirt, Bailey was the only one who did ok, the rest just so slow and poor.

[Stinkin_Thinkin]

I thought it was our year after the corner that never was against west ham.
Rogers and tielimans passengers all game. Kamara had a poor game too. McGinn basicly on his own in midfield. Bailey caused them problems when he came on.
I just hope Villa are not like the old leeds team of the 2000s that went close for everything but ended up winning fuck all. No wonder we're looking at De bruyne we are big game bottlers.

[Nev]

Absolute wankers. And I include the manager in that.

All that hope, all that desire, it's everything to us and it meant nothing to you.

Fuck all of you.

[Steve67]

Sure it's been done to death, but do the stats back up that Pau is a wet fart and we shit the bed with him in defence?

I hate to labour this point - he wasn’t good, Konsa was worse. But he played against Bayern, Juventus, Citeh when we won, nearly all of our run in the first half of last season. The idea that he’s utterly hopeless isn’t true. Get he’s not done well at times of late, but the idea he’s useless just doesn’t stack up.

Champs league is arguably a different type of football though.  He isn't good enough for the rough and tumble of the Premier League perhaps?  Personally, I think he's a waste of a shirt.

[Clive W]

I’ve been saying for years that we don’t have leaders on the pitch
SJM does his best by leading by example
We only have one other leader and for some bizarre reason he was left on the bench

[Beard82]

They beat us with the exact same tactics employed in our recent meetings...Unai is the man, as far as I am concerned, BUT I'd love to know why we simply played the same old way against them again?  Like Forest, they are physical, they sit back and counter, we all know this...why play into this kind of team's hands like that?  It's all incredibly frustrating, but fair play to Palace. 

Once the dust settles, this game will hopefully turn out to be another staging post in our upwards evolution.  UTV.

This is what’s driving me mad - glazner even said it’s easy to prepare to play Villa.  How he got it so wrong again is beyond me

[fredm]

Until Emery realises that over here we determine that effort, speed, determination are every bit as important than just having skill. While we tap the ball around, passing it from side to side, without making opponents chase about, we will lose to these sides like today who put the effort and determination in. On the two times we have used these efforts in the second half against PSG and against Newcastle we were on top and proved we were the better side.

[aj2k77]

Don't want to totally scape goat him but my fag packet calculations are that with Torres at centre back we've conceded 71 in 47 games in the league.

[PhilVill]

That's our worst performance there for me. Again we made Palace look incredible and got a fucking beating off of a mid table team.

A bad bad week from Emery too. You have to win these big games, not hope the opposition lose them. Really poor all round today. I'm getting pissed.

21 years since I last had a drink but I daren’t leave my flat tonight or it could be life changing. Arse biscuits.

Yeah, its 5 years since my last drink so I've instructed my fiancee to lock me in and thankfully theres no peeve in the house.

God, that was fucking woeful and sadly, predictable

[Stu]

Best chance of a trophy for this team before it’s broken up. PSR will be out for us and a few players will be going.

[Percy McCarthy]

Aaaand that's why so many of us shat ourselves once we were drawn against them. They just have our number at the moment and we have just massively dropped last 2 games. I still don't like Rogers on the right, plus he's very clearly shattered. Really strange blind spot.

The maddest blind spot of all is that he keeps picking our worst defence, which anyone vaguely literate and numerate (no offence bronte) can work out from looking at a match programme.

Mings was playing in the EFL game, albeit he had just come back so was probably rusty. Neither played at their place but then like today, that applied to the whole team. But yes, as soon as Mings, who you know would drive the club / players in this type of game wasn't picked, the fans would be nervous, and so would the team.

His first game back after 14 months. Look at the results in games he’s played since, and count the goals conceded. Compare and contrast.

[KevinGage]

Mings might have made a difference, but this wasn’t just a defence thing. We produced barely anything and looked like we had no plan. The defence was bad, but so was the whole rest of the team.

When you have a suspect base (as we do with that defensive combo) everything else goes to shite as well.

To buck the trend, I sort of the the logic of playing Torres today.  Emery expected Palarse to sit deep for long periods (they did) and hit us on the counter.

That being the case - and if they match up so that Tielemans is out of the game - incisive passes from Torres could, in theory, open them up.

But even his passing is off at the moment.

[JUAN PABLO]

Abject - too gutted to say to much.  On unai today - wrong team and tactics and no excuse as this is the 4th time they’ve done in it less than a year.

Agree. Think Mings not playing was a mistake. Not having Maatsen at left back with his pace against a back 5 was poor. Rodgers knackered but stayed on. Asensio anonymous

not far off with tha Leon

[steamer]

For some reason, I did not get worked up before the game.
Sat shaking my head as to how dreadful we were and how they did to us  what they have done before this season, press, bully and defend in numbers
Not a single player can leave with his head up
Our so called depth was as deep as a puddle