Aston Villa Reserves v Forest Post-Match Thread

[Dave P]

I'm sure our opposition fans have a lot to say about our time wasting, which is rank and sometimes embarrassing.  Win some, lose some.  Fortunately we won some.  Up and at 'em for Wednesday.

We play Newcastle in a few weeks. They are gold medalists when it comes to time wasting.

[PeterWithe]

Given that they didn't have a big stump available up front, I thought maybe Torres might have got on to give us a better opportunity to play from deeper in the 2nd half. Fully understand him not starting if we thought they'd play they usually do.

[VillaTim]

That foul throw they did is one of the worst I've ever seen . Clowns .

[PeterWithe]

I think the accusations of time wasting are fair enough, I was nervously looking at the scoreboard clock in the last section and Emi took 40 seconds to take a goal kick, God bless him.

[VillaTim]

Martinez booked last 2 games now , he's on 4.
Is he one off a ban ?

[jon collett]

I think the accusations of time wasting are fair enough, I was nervously looking at the scoreboard clock in the last section and Emi took 40 seconds to take a goal kick, God bless him.

At one stage I thought the ball boy was going to get booked.

[Beard82]

Martinez booked last 2 games now , he's on 4.
Is he one off a ban ?

I think the cut off for 5 bookings passed - think its 10 now.  I guess in his last 7 games on the season - if he is time wasting in 6 of them well be doing ok!

[paul_e]

Martinez booked last 2 games now , he's on 4.
Is he one off a ban ?

No. It's a 1 game ban if you get 5 yellows in the first 19 games. After that 5 means nothing.

The next threshold is 10 yellows in 32 games for a 2 match ban. We don't have anyone at risk for that given it's only 1 more game and Rogers with 8 is our highest.

After that it's 3 games for 15 in the season and a panel hearing for 20.

[VillaTim]

Martinez booked last 2 games now , he's on 4.
Is he one off a ban ?

I think the cut off for 5 bookings passed - think its 10 now.  I guess in his last 7 games on the season - if he is time wasting in 6 of them well be doing ok!

All part of the master plan.

[paul_e]

I think the accusations of time wasting are fair enough, I was nervously looking at the scoreboard clock in the last section and Emi took 40 seconds to take a goal kick, God bless him.

Fair enough maybe, but in no way unique, pretty much every team in the league does it and has seen bookings for doing so. The last time they published the count of bookings for time wasting was in January and we were near the bottom of the list on 3. I think Arsenal were top with 8 or 9.

[olaftab]

The wait for a complete, 90 minute performance goes on

Really?
How about:
West Ham away
Brentford at home
Bayern Munich
Man City at home
Bologna
Celtic
Leipzig away
Brugge away
Brugge at home
Brighton away

[olaftab]

Martinez booked last 2 games now , he's on 4.
Is he one off a ban ?

No worries if he gets banned as we have the outstanding Olsen as back up.

[Rory]

The wait for a complete, 90 minute performance goes on

Really?
How about:
West Ham away
Brentford at home
Bayern Munich
Man City at home
Bologna
Celtic
Leipzig away
Brugge away
Brugge at home
Brighton away

I always think of it like a boxing match (apologies to those who are not boxing fans, but I know Dave W is so I'm trying to earn brownie points with him).

We are not up against a heavy bag, throwing punches, trying to master power and timing, with nothing coming back. We are facing an opponent, in the ring, and they have their own mind, and skills and desire to win.

But unlike boxing, there are no knockouts. We go the full twelve rounds, no matter what.

Is there a fighter in history that has gone 12 rounds without being punched in the face? The closest I can think of is Joe Calzaghe vs Jeff Lacy, though Dave may be able to think of better examples.

A 'complete performance' simply isn't possible against opponents who are not only out to execute their game plan, but also to disrupt yours.

Within individual exchanges, statistically they are going to win some of the time - but your opponent throwing a left hook into thin air is not a point for him, and neither is a shot wide of the post. A glanced right cross is not a knockdown, just like hitting the bar is not a goal.

The win lies in landing your shots while your opponent does not land his/hers.

We landed 2, Forest landed 1. Tough titties.

[The Edge]

I'm sure our opposition fans have a lot to say about our time wasting, which is rank and sometimes embarrassing.  Win some, lose some.  Fortunately we won some.  Up and at 'em for Wednesday.

We play Newcastle in a few weeks. They are gold medalists when it comes to time wasting.

They're no worse/better than us at it. All teams just do these things when it's required. One advantage Newcastle won't have when they come to VP is a 50,000 screaming fans who can influence the officials as in the case of Durans sending off. The crowd went ballistic and several players ran over, including the keeper flapping their arms around and the ref bottled it and sent him off because Scharr was holding himself "down there" which he definitely wasn't and no one including VAR thought he was. All that was a clear tactic to get at Duran due to his volatility. Hopefully Unai will use the video of that incident to get the players even more up for it than they would normally be. We owe 'em one.

[LeeB]

The thing is the teams that 'timewaste' are those that are usually winning, so of course we're going to look like one of the worst offenders.