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Re: Summer 2025 Transfer Window - hopes, speculation, rumours etc.
« Reply #1485 on: May 27, 2025, 11:45:43 AM »
Selling Rogers would be ridiculous.

He'd be one of those UE would be least likely to sanction, but everyone has their price. I think we are sometimes guilty of forgetting that for a lot of our players, they are at the level they are at because UE has got them there, he can get others there too. And will. He'll have to.

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Re: Summer 2025 Transfer Window - hopes, speculation, rumours etc.
« Reply #1486 on: May 27, 2025, 11:47:45 AM »
By my calculations we have added zero new nationalities since Emery took over. It's not good enough. I DEMAND a Uruguayan, Mexican, Korean and someone from somewhere mad like Tajikistan or Belize and I DEMAND them NOW!

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Re: Summer 2025 Transfer Window - hopes, speculation, rumours etc.
« Reply #1487 on: May 27, 2025, 12:27:00 PM »
Selling Rogers would be ridiculous.

He'd be one of those UE would be least likely to sanction, but everyone has their price. I think we are sometimes guilty of forgetting that for a lot of our players, they are at the level they are at because UE has got them there, he can get others there too. And will. He'll have to.

Exactly.

If we sold Rogers for £90m we'd all be gutted, but if it allowed us to sign a right winger and a number 10, let's say Mbuemo and Alex Baena as examples, we'd be a stronger team. I think there will be a huge dollop of pragmatism this summer to create a balanced team for Unai.

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Re: Summer 2025 Transfer Window - hopes, speculation, rumours etc.
« Reply #1488 on: May 27, 2025, 12:46:08 PM »
Selling Rogers would be ridiculous.

He'd be one of those UE would be least likely to sanction, but everyone has their price. I think we are sometimes guilty of forgetting that for a lot of our players, they are at the level they are at because UE has got them there, he can get others there too. And will. He'll have to.

Exactly.

If we sold Rogers for £90m we'd all be gutted, but if it allowed us to sign a right winger and a number 10, let's say Mbuemo and Alex Baena as examples, we'd be a stronger team. I think there will be a huge dollop of pragmatism this summer to create a balanced team for Unai.

We might be a stronger team. I don’t think that’s certain at all. Rogers is brilliant, and even when he’s not in form he still regularly contributes assists and goals. There’s no guarantee bringing in a couple of good players covers the value he brings.

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Re: Summer 2025 Transfer Window - hopes, speculation, rumours etc.
« Reply #1489 on: May 27, 2025, 12:51:38 PM »
Selling Rogers also strengthens whichever competitor we sell him to.

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Re: Summer 2025 Transfer Window - hopes, speculation, rumours etc.
« Reply #1490 on: May 27, 2025, 01:07:04 PM »
Selling Rogers would be ridiculous.

He'd be one of those UE would be least likely to sanction, but everyone has their price. I think we are sometimes guilty of forgetting that for a lot of our players, they are at the level they are at because UE has got them there, he can get others there too. And will. He'll have to.

Exactly.

If we sold Rogers for £90m we'd all be gutted, but if it allowed us to sign a right winger and a number 10, let's say Mbuemo and Alex Baena as examples, we'd be a stronger team. I think there will be a huge dollop of pragmatism this summer to create a balanced team for Unai.

We might be a stronger team. I don’t think that’s certain at all. Rogers is brilliant, and even when he’s not in form he still regularly contributes assists and goals. There’s no guarantee bringing in a couple of good players covers the value he brings.

I think in our setup, most good players will have quite a high output in those forward roles. For me he was a real problem for the last 6 weeks because of Emery being so wedded to leaving him on when frankly we were clearly carrying him as he was doing very little offensively or defensively. I put that down to tiredness, but overall if we got an astronomical offer the nature of the beast is to sell and reinvest at the moment.

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Re: Summer 2025 Transfer Window - hopes, speculation, rumours etc.
« Reply #1491 on: May 27, 2025, 01:22:46 PM »
See I disagree, although I take the point. This isn’t just a financial point for me, there’s an optics point too. It’s very easy to argue he is our crown jewell and so us selling him to a rival gives the impression we’re settling. We have lots of valuable players, but he’s different, and he should be the last we sell.

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Re: Summer 2025 Transfer Window - hopes, speculation, rumours etc.
« Reply #1492 on: May 27, 2025, 01:59:30 PM »
See I disagree, although I take the point. This isn’t just a financial point for me, there’s an optics point too. It’s very easy to argue he is our crown jewell and so us selling him to a rival gives the impression we’re settling. We have lots of valuable players, but he’s different, and he should be the last we sell.

I tend to agree with this, it wouldn't be a great look to sell him.

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Re: Summer 2025 Transfer Window - hopes, speculation, rumours etc.
« Reply #1493 on: May 27, 2025, 02:01:26 PM »
See I disagree, although I take the point. This isn’t just a financial point for me, there’s an optics point too. It’s very easy to argue he is our crown jewell and so us selling him to a rival gives the impression we’re settling. We have lots of valuable players, but he’s different, and he should be the last we sell.

I see that argument completely, but this is a guy we picked up for £10m from Boro last Jan and has had an incredible rise. I think teams are starting to work him out a bit and there's a point where you look at the overall influence he has and wonder if there is a way we could improve. We scored a lot less goals this season in the league (we conceded a lot less too), which for me means we should look at all our attacking options and whether they sum of the parts gets us where we need to be.

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Re: Summer 2025 Transfer Window - hopes, speculation, rumours etc.
« Reply #1494 on: May 27, 2025, 02:07:22 PM »
Selling Rogers would be ridiculous.

He'd be one of those UE would be least likely to sanction, but everyone has their price. I think we are sometimes guilty of forgetting that for a lot of our players, they are at the level they are at because UE has got them there, he can get others there too. And will. He'll have to.

Exactly.

If we sold Rogers for £90m we'd all be gutted, but if it allowed us to sign a right winger and a number 10, let's say Mbuemo and Alex Baena as examples, we'd be a stronger team. I think there will be a huge dollop of pragmatism this summer to create a balanced team for Unai.

We might be a stronger team. I don’t think that’s certain at all. Rogers is brilliant, and even when he’s not in form he still regularly contributes assists and goals. There’s no guarantee bringing in a couple of good players covers the value he brings.

I think in our setup, most good players will have quite a high output in those forward roles. For me he was a real problem for the last 6 weeks because of Emery being so wedded to leaving him on when frankly we were clearly carrying him as he was doing very little offensively or defensively. I put that down to tiredness, but overall if we got an astronomical offer the nature of the beast is to sell and reinvest at the moment.

I think it's more that he's been playing on the right in that time and it just doesn't suit him.  I think playing on the left in our system is his best position followed by the 'number 10' role.


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Re: Summer 2025 Transfer Window - hopes, speculation, rumours etc.
« Reply #1495 on: May 27, 2025, 02:09:58 PM »
Selling Rogers would be ridiculous.
Wouldn't be my choice either but every player has their price . If a bid of £90M came in he's gone .

I think there would be a case to say his valuation should be as much as Grealish's when he left.

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Re: Summer 2025 Transfer Window - hopes, speculation, rumours etc.
« Reply #1496 on: May 27, 2025, 02:16:54 PM »
I agree about him on the left Tom. I'm not at all convinced that he and Asensio can't play together, I think Rogers left, Asensio central and Malen right could work perfectly well. I don't think he's got the natural passing ability to play 10 in the way Emery wants

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Re: Summer 2025 Transfer Window - hopes, speculation, rumours etc.
« Reply #1497 on: May 27, 2025, 02:25:48 PM »
See I disagree, although I take the point. This isn’t just a financial point for me, there’s an optics point too. It’s very easy to argue he is our crown jewell and so us selling him to a rival gives the impression we’re settling. We have lots of valuable players, but he’s different, and he should be the last we sell.

I see that argument completely, but this is a guy we picked up for £10m from Boro last Jan and has had an incredible rise. I think teams are starting to work him out a bit and there's a point where you look at the overall influence he has and wonder if there is a way we could improve. We scored a lot less goals this season in the league (we conceded a lot less too), which for me means we should look at all our attacking options and whether they sum of the parts gets us where we need to be.

but you don't improve your goal output by keeping players who haven't provided enough (Bailey for example) and selling one of the 2 players who did. I don't want to sell Watkins either, for the same reason. What we need is to get a steady supply of goals from everyone who plays regularly in our front. The point of the season where we looked really fluid was when we had Rashford, Asensio and Rogers all as a goal threat behind Watkins and then had Ramsey and Malen to come in and provide extra options on top.

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Re: Summer 2025 Transfer Window - hopes, speculation, rumours etc.
« Reply #1498 on: May 27, 2025, 02:30:22 PM »
I agree with that, so I wonder why he started playing Rashford up top? The pace of Rashford (which we desperately need) worked well with Asensio in the middle, but then we started playing him as a number 9.

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Re: Summer 2025 Transfer Window - hopes, speculation, rumours etc.
« Reply #1499 on: May 27, 2025, 02:57:06 PM »
Haven’t got numbers to hand, but from memory Dougie must of been in or near double figures goal wise last year, also McGinn contributed more goals. As brilliant as Tielemans has been this season, it doesn’t feel like he’s scored many more goals this season. Bailey was in double figures and Rogers contributed a few.
This year we’ve had Watkins, Duran for half a season, Rogers and then Asensio and Rashford. The goal scoring threat feels far more fractured.

I don’t see how selling Rogers helps reverse that situation
« Last Edit: May 27, 2025, 04:28:49 PM by RamboandBruno »

 


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