Everton 0-1 The Mighty Aston Villa post match detox

[LeeB]

https://www.toffeeweb.com/fans/beingblue/religion.asp

I read this piece on it from an Everton perspective if anyone is interested

There appears to be little real evidence to suggest any strong relationship between support of Everton and adherence to either the Catholic or Protestant faiths.  Parental family ties appear to have been much stronger, with many current Evertonians citing fathers or grandfathers (of either religion) who were true blue, through and through.

On an individual basis, it must have been comforting for some to draw a parallel between allegiance to the club, and faith in God.  But on a larger perspective, it seems that many families united by their religious origins include both true blues and other misguided souls who are seduced by the red devils from hell, aka Liverpool FC.

And the Kop thing, that's the case with a good few mounds of terrace including up the road, and was first referenced at Arsenal. I'm not even sure how it fits the narrative, and in terms of both clubs origins they lie in the Methodist Church, those renowned Papist bastards.

[Witton Warrior]

I was there in that game witton warrior is on about in 77

I remember quite a few Liverpool fans wearing Rangers scarfs but that was the least of my worries being chased around all day by nutters
anyway the Celtic/Rangers chant used to go up in the Holte most games

If you were on the official coaches you may recall it was a nightmare as they bricked all the windows during the match. Because we beat them the Old Bill kept us back but those happy cheerful scousers waited in thousands to congratulate us. I remember a load of us Black Country Villans armed with fence staves jogging past the Littlewoods building batting away their hoolies. At one point some reds told us they would leave us alone if we gave them "our Blacks". The staves came in useful.

I have a mate whose family supported Everton and his Irish Dad told me it was because they were Catholic.

The Holte thing was just a piss-take like Banks's vs Ansells - I have seen Villa wearing Celtic scarves

[pauliewalnuts]

I guarantee you, pretty much nobody wearing those celtic and rangers half and half hats in the 80s had a fucking clue what they stood for.

[jon collett]

I guarantee you, pretty much nobody wearing those celtic and rangers half and half hats in the 80s had a fucking clue what they stood for.

Yea it was way deeper than that and pre dated 80s by a long way. It’s now something they try and sweep under the carpet!

[Drummond]

I think the brief Ashley Young chant when he took a throw in front of the away end is the first time I've heard a (favourable) chant for an opposition player.

Quickly followed by 'you used to play for a big club, play for a big club...'

[Dave]

An Irish nationalist MP for many years.

Yup, one of those useful bits of quizzing knowledge  - TP O'Connor, the only MP for an Irish nationalist party ever elected to a seat in the House of Commons outside the island of Ireland.

[Percy McCarthy]

The 84 league cup semi was great fun, both home and away. I know it’s not big or clever but we battered them (off the pitch) both games.

After the final whistle of the second leg, meaning we were out, it went bang off as they tried to leave the old Witton Lane stand. Shortly afterwards I saw a group forming around two of theirs on the other side of the motorway bridge by the school, and my mate and well-known local author Black Danny was talking to them. It went something like this

Danny: where you from?

Scouser 1 (in exaggerated Brummie accent): Birmingum.

Danny: whereabouts?

Scouser 2 (same accent) Wolverampton.

Scouser 1 (realising his mate had made a mistake):

We’ve got money

I tried to save them by pointing out to Danny that there were only two of them and loads of us, but he really hated scousers because of the old racism, and he said “they’d do it to you Perc”.

I walked off, knowing they were lost.

[Rory]

If you think sectarianism has died out in Liverpool try Southport on 12th July.

Yeah, one of the strangest Orange marches out there.

The usual bacon-faces doing their militaristic parade, despite all being either at least five stone or four decades ineligible for military service, with the occasional Wicker Man shit involving children or teenagers - that's all familiar.

But then a handful of old weirdos with Primark bags trying to indoctrinate their grandchildren about something that has virtually no influence on their lives.

Very odd.

[Percy McCarthy]

Some old boy down the Villa told me there was an Orange March either to or from Aston Cross up until the mid-sixties.

[PeterWithe]

I think I read that Spion Kop translated from Afrikaans to English as 'Viewing Hill', it was also the site of a battle in the Boer War where many Liverpudlian soldiers died.

[PeterWithe]

Quakers like the Cadburys with their well meaning social experiments (the Quakers held a lot of power in local politics until very, very recently - that's one reason there were so few late night drinking venues for so long), 

The Quakers were also the reason that Bham, uniquely, has so many pubs with Crown Bowling Greens attached to them.

[PeterWithe]

I only long for a world where everyman is free to transport a compact living space from one place to the next for leisure purposes.

'Brothers and Sisters, I have a dream'

[ChicagoLion]

I only long for a world where everyman is free to transport a compact living space from one place to the next for leisure purposes.

'Brothers and Sisters, I have a dream'

Its called Holland.

[jon collett]

I think I read that Spion Kop translated from Afrikaans to English as 'Viewing Hill', it was also the site of a battle in the Boer War where many Liverpudlian soldiers died.

That’s right they named it after the fallen Liverpudlian (Scouse was an insult then) members of the Royal Lancashire Regiment. It wasn’t connected with the Woolwich Arsenal terrace somebody mentioned.

They were the loyalist establishment Club. It’s all at odds with the Scouse not English myth they claim now.

I think modern glory hunters try so hard to identify and fit in they’ve created a bogus history.

[LeeB]

I think I read that Spion Kop translated from Afrikaans to English as 'Viewing Hill', it was also the site of a battle in the Boer War where many Liverpudlian soldiers died.

That’s right they named it after the fallen Liverpudlian (Scouse was an insult then) members of the Royal Lancashire Regiment. It wasn’t connected with the Woolwich Arsenal terrace somebody mentioned.

They were the loyalist establishment Club. It’s all at odds with the Scouse not English myth they claim now.

I think modern glory hunters try so hard to identify and fit in they’ve created a bogus history.

The first recorded reference to a sports terrace as "Kop" related to Woolwich Arsenal's Manor Ground in 1904, four years after the Second Boer War.[1][2] A local newsman likened the silhouette of fans standing on a newly raised bank of earth to soldiers standing atop the hill at the Battle of Spion Kop. Two years later in 1906, Liverpool Echo sports editor Ernest Edwards noted of a new open-air embankment at Anfield:

This huge wall of earth has been termed "Spion Kop", and no doubt this apt name will always be used in future in referring to this spot.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spion_Kop_(stadiums)#:~:text=Spion%20Kop%20(or%20the%20Kop,particularly%20in%20the%20United%20Kingdom.