Everton 0-1 The Mighty Aston Villa post match detox

[olaftab]

I do wonder why someone who has been making regular subs to ensure certain players didn't burn out decided we needed barely no subs this time around, and played Ollie for 90mins for the fourth game straight. Duran would have caused them some problems at the end I felt.

West Ham owners forbid us from playing him.

[Sexual Ealing]

There's a few bits I've read and I think someone did a proper study but found there wasn't really any evidence to it.

I've no skin it either way as I'm utterly godless.

I only long for a world where everyman is free to transport a compact living space from one place to the next for leisure purposes.

"Leisure purposes? What kind of decadent, gaudy, depraved exhibitionist have you become? These are our homes.

He's boasting about his static in Oswestry again, Paddy.

Him and his fucking Bob Warman stories. Bob Warman this, Bob Warman that.

He's probably one of his tenants. Almost everyone else is.

He tried to sell me a fibreglass urn for my old mum. Eight grand, ten for damp proofing on top.

[Somniloquism]

Some key bits.

4 mins in shows how well Konsa and Kamara did on the wing to setup the goal. Then there were five Everton players took out the game when Rogers broke.

5:32 . Onana geeing everyone up in the 90 something minute. And just after that Martinez reaction at the final whistle.

6:15. Mings pushing Ollie closer to the crowd for applause.

And finally, did Onana do his crowd routine? I guess not with his reaction to Kamara.

[VillaTim]

Onana didn't do his crowd thing , he showed respect for his old club which was a touch of class .

[LeeB]

Some key bits.

4 mins in shows how well Konsa and Kamara did on the wing to setup the goal. Then there were five Everton players took out the game when Rogers broke.

5:32 . Onana geeing everyone up in the 90 something minute. And just after that Martinez reaction at the final whistle.

6:15. Mings pushing Ollie closer to the crowd for applause.

And finally, did Onana do his crowd routine? I guess not with his reaction to Kamara.

That was brilliant play from Konsa, he rode that Everton donkey up the touchline for 30 yards.

[Meanwood Villa]

I think the brief Ashley Young chant when he took a throw in front of the away end is the first time I've heard a (favourable) chant for an opposition player.

[jon collett]

Liverpool was a strange place - the most left-wing city inbthe country but also fiercely racist. One of the oldest black communities but also the most segregated.

And historically known as Tory town and deeply split on sectarian lines with Liverpool the Protestant (and patriotic) Club which is all forgotten now!

I'd heard something similar too but found absolutely nothing to back it up, indeed it smells to me like the kind of thing generated by a jealous neighbour to try and attempt to discredit their more illustrious rivals.

See also 'more fans in the city' etc.

It’s well known and established. Doesn’t sound like you looked in right places? And it wasn’t claimed by a neighbour as Everton were the. Catholic club!

Oh, were they formed by the Pope?

There's some anecdotes of some people dividing that way in the early days to due the loyalties of directors on each side, and also that Liverpool itself was very sectarian way back, but no evidence at all that either club is this or that.

It’s pretty well known. Off the top of my head I can remember anecdotes from Cilla Black, Paul McCartney, Eric Heffer, and Tommy Smith. I can also remember the two Bishops representing both sides on Wogan before the 86 Cup Final.

Everton’s first Chairman was an Irish home ruler. Liverpool’s was an Orangeman. The Kop was named after Royal Lancashire Regiment and I can remember all the Union flags on the Kop as late as the 80s.

Liverpool was a very sectarian city. Oranger lodges and orange marches. An Irish nationalist MP for many years.

Football wise as the glory hunters attached to Liverpool the local ties were weakened and historical revisionism. Most Liverpool supporters these days think Shankley founded the Club in the 60s!

There is a book on the sectarian origins of the Clubs which was previously a PHD thesis but as I say this is all well known!

[jon collett]

Liverpool was a strange place - the most left-wing city inbthe country but also fiercely racist. One of the oldest black communities but also the most segregated.

And historically known as Tory town and deeply split on sectarian lines with Liverpool the Protestant (and patriotic) Club which is all forgotten now!

To be honest, Birmingham has also been a bit of a tory town, too, certainly compared with other major cities, probably because it's unique in so many ways.

Never underwent the historic mass unemployment of the north (at least until the 70s), employment spread out across a number of very large companies but significantly more small to medium size manufacturers so didn't have all the eggs in one basket, strong entrepreneurial spirit created lots of relatively socially mobile Victorian employers done-good who built all those nice houses up on the hill in Moseley to look down on their domains, always been a little bit 'different' from other cities in terms of ways of thought (non-conformists like the Unitarians, which is what the Chamberlains were), Quakers like the Cadburys with their well meaning social experiments (the Quakers held a lot of power in local politics until very, very recently - that's one reason there were so few late night drinking venues for so long), early venue for waves of immigration going back to the peasantry, the Irish, and so on, not tainted anywhere near as much by the shame of slavery as many other cities. A late Victorian / twentieth century city with new ideas.

It has always been 'different' and that extends to having quite a big Tory back story, plenty of Tory MPs in the past, even voted pretty much in line with the national vote on Brexit.

Sure but Liverpool was literally called Tory Town.

In the 1968 local elections the Liverpool Conservatives won 62 percent of the vote and 78 percent of the seats on Liverpool City Council and by 1972 the party had held a majority on Liverpool’s municipal government for 85 of the previous 100 years.

Another part of their past they’ve now reinvented.

[john e]

Honestly didn’t know about this

[john e]

I was there in that game witton warrior is on about in 77

I remember quite a few Liverpool fans wearing Rangers scarfs but that was the least of my worries being chased around all day by nutters
anyway the Celtic/Rangers chant used to go up in the Holte most games

[astonvilla82]

Remember went to see Villa at Liverpool one year and was met by some loveable scallywags at lime street, asking would I like to go to Anfield with them and asking was I a Catholic (did notice he had a Rangers scarf hanging from his waste), having knowledge of what he meant I politely refused

[Pat McMahon]

Liverpool was a strange place - the most left-wing city inbthe country but also fiercely racist. One of the oldest black communities but also the most segregated.

And historically known as Tory town and deeply split on sectarian lines with Liverpool the Protestant (and patriotic) Club which is all forgotten now!

I'd heard something similar too but found absolutely nothing to back it up, indeed it smells to me like the kind of thing generated by a jealous neighbour to try and attempt to discredit their more illustrious rivals.

See also 'more fans in the city' etc.

It’s well known and established. Doesn’t sound like you looked in right places? And it wasn’t claimed by a neighbour as Everton were the. Catholic club!

Oh, were they formed by the Pope?

There's some anecdotes of some people dividing that way in the early days to due the loyalties of directors on each side, and also that Liverpool itself was very sectarian way back, but no evidence at all that either club is this or that.

 My dad told me when I was a kid that the two teams were seen in Ireland in the 1940s-50s as split as described above, and being a Dubliner pointed to the Irish tricolour over Goodison *) and I’ve spoken to a few scousers about it over the years. They say there was some justification to this until maybe 50 -60 years ago but it just died away.

One bloke pointed out to me that they have a song called Scouser Tommy about a fan who died in WW1. It’s sung to the tune of Red River Valley but then lurches into the tune of The Sash My Father Wore at the end. No sectarian lyrics though, just the tune.

Other have pointed out the big Liverpool - Celtic love in since Dalglish in 1977. If it did exist I reckon it’s ancient history now.

*I think I read years back that the  Irish tricolour at Goodison was something to do with Irish players or directors in the 1950s rather than anything else.

[Pat McMahon]

Just read Jon Collett’s post above. Far more fact based and informed than my anecdotal stuff above.   Really interesting - thanks.

[trinityoap]

If you think sectarianism has died out in Liverpool try Southport on 12th July.

[eamonn]

Couldn't believe my eyes at Konsa's nifty footwork which paved the way for our winner. I was sure it was someone else. Fair fucks, didn't think he had that technique in his locker.