Newcastle v Villa post match

[The Edge]

Apparently there was a 20 man brawl in the tunnel at half time.

I'm not surprised. Newcastle are a very physical very niggly team who obviously know how to influence the referee as was demonstrated in the Duran incident. I think the halo over Saint Eddie Howe's napper has slipped somewhat. At the end of the day though it's professional sport and their job is to find a way of winning. Everyone else's job is to find a way of counteracting that. That's something to concern ourselves with when we come up against them again. Right now we have to co concentrate on our next two games which are pretty winnable. 6 points would propel us nicely back up the table.

[PaulWinch again]

Let’s be honest if it were the other way round most of us would have been vociferously calling for a red, so not sure we can get too pious about the reaction.

[AlexAlexCropley]

To add insult to injury a Villa coach had it's window put through after the match.

[Bent Neilsens Screamer]

Let’s be honest if it were the other way round most of us would have been vociferously calling for a red, so not sure we can get too pious about the reaction.

I’m in this camp. Same with the players, their keeper sprinted out and was on the scene making a fuss, we all think he’s a wanker but there’s a lot of people on here who think our players are too timid and accept all decisions.

It’s a fine line but I’d say we’re a very quiet team, I suppose it shows discipline and reflects UE’s personality and the way he wants to be but it does feel as though we get walked over quite a bit. Plus everyone likes a few shithouses in their team, players that other fans love to hate. We’ve only got Big Emi and he’s calmed down recently.

[rob_bridge]

Let’s be honest if it were the other way round most of us would have been vociferously calling for a red, so not sure we can get too pious about the reaction.

I’m in this camp. Same with the players, their keeper sprinted out and was on the scene making a fuss, we all think he’s a wanker but there’s a lot of people on here who think our players are too timid and accept all decisions.

It’s a fine line but I’d say we’re a very quiet team, I suppose it shows discipline and reflects UE’s personality and the way he wants to be but it does feel as though we get walked over quite a bit. Plus everyone likes a few shithouses in their team, players that other fans love to hate. We’ve only got Big Emi and he’s calmed down recently.

We weren't quiet v Cit-eh on Saturday to be fair. We wound them up big time. Maybe it's a home thing.

[Olneythelonely]

We should absolutely contest that red card. Let’s not be milksops about this.

Contest the obviously correct red card? I wouldn’t have thought it was worth our while.

Well you're wrong because we are contesting it,

I’ll be wrong if the appeal is upheld. I hope I am.

Are you sure about that? Because from this and the match thread you seemed to be very happy that Duran had fucked up and all the people that had suggested he may take over from Ollie were proven wrong.

I’m a bit surprised you’d think that, but fair enough. Did I even post on the match thread?

I was absolutely furious he’d fucked up, not happy in the slightest, and I don’t think it’s proven anything of the sort. I would have started Duran, I think we’re going to miss him massively over the next couple of weeks, I also think it’s likely he’ll take over from Watkins. I just think people that now want to wash their hands of Watkins are ridiculous.

[VillaTim]

Initial reaction was oh dear red card. Only through watching the slow motion from that one angle do you see the slip , the cause and effect. The ref can't see that and that's where VAR should help.
As for the 20 man brawl yeah that's very Newcastle it's in their DNA lumps like Dan Burn and Joelinton and Scharr. Eddie Howe is a snidey fucker too.
Let's just smash them at villa park like the other year.

[The Edge]

Let’s be honest if it were the other way round most of us would have been vociferously calling for a red, so not sure we can get too pious about the reaction.

Yes we probably would and we would have been wrong too. That's football fans for ya.

[Olneythelonely]

Analysis - Was Duran harshly sent off? - https://www.bbc.com/sport/videos/cvgp3y2gle2o

I think the first action is why he’s sent off. That angle from behind looks like he’s planted his foot on the floor, but it’s actually on the man and I think on purpose.

Hopefully the Premier League see it the same way as Shearer. He’s going to be hugely important for us in the next few weeks. He needs to understand that people are going to wind him up and he needs to deal with it. Maybe start with not being furious at his own teammates for not letting him take a free kick.

Or just let him take them.

[caster troy]

I thought Mings should have started this one, we've been poor away from home and it's a heated atmosphere against a physical dirty team. We needed his physicality and leadership. Maybe there was a fear he'd have some PTSD after what happened last time.

I love Kamara but the first goal is on him I think, caught out of position giving the ball away cheaply leaving them a lot of space to run into. If I have one small criticism of him it's that he does often have a slow first 5-10 minutes in games.

On the Duran incident I think he felt the Newcastle player got him first, so he didn't make as much effort to avoid him as he could have. But he didn't fully commit to a dangerous act.

[AV84]

Today was tough after the start and then the red card. But we now have 3 very winnable games, 9 points up for grabs with Arsenal in the middle. The table could look much better in about a month.

Suppose it's the same for most of the teams around us, but we're definitely benefiting from how open the league is this season. Can't remember the exact number, but I saw something saying this time last year we had x amount of points more than we have now, and we just managed to hold onto 4th by the end of the season. Teams are bouncing from 9th to 4th and back again every weekend this season. A bit of consistency would come in very handy now.

[stevo_st]

You can’t call it a dangerous act, a stamp, an intention to hurt.
There is no force or unnatural movement.
Nothing to warrant a sending off.

With this one, would have been great to have had the rugby setup where they put them in the sin bin to give VAR time to actually look at what happened, rather than just agree that there was contact made.
Ended up ruining what was shaping up to be a really fine spectacle between two evenly matched teams.

[geolex]

We should absolutely contest that red card. Let’s not be milksops about this.

Contest the obviously correct red card? I wouldn’t have thought it was worth our while.

Well you're wrong because we are contesting it,

I’ll be wrong if the appeal is upheld. I hope I am.

I wasn't saying you're wrong  about the card, i was pointing out that you were wrong to say it wasn't worth our while as they obviously think it is

[mrfuse]

Let’s be honest if it were the other way round most of us would have been vociferously calling for a red, so not sure we can get too pious about the reaction.

No we wouldn't were not all one eyed with no sense of fairness.

[Olneythelonely]

We should absolutely contest that red card. Let’s not be milksops about this.

Contest the obviously correct red card? I wouldn’t have thought it was worth our while.

Well you're wrong because we are contesting it,

I’ll be wrong if the appeal is upheld. I hope I am.

I wasn't saying you're wrong  about the card, i was pointing out that you were wrong to say it wasn't worth our while as they obviously think it is

No, I understand what you’re saying, but if the suspension remains, it was a waste of time appealing. Hence me saying I didn’t think it was worthwhile.

I might even be wrong about the red card, there’s enough people with opposing viewpoints that I’m questioning it. At the time Duran was clearly pissed off and I thought he might do something stupid. There was a bit just before where Joelinton was holding onto him and Duran was trying to whack his arm away. It was clearly part of their game plan to wind him up and he’s obviously easily wound up.

I have no ulterior motive other than his red card ruined our chances and I thought he did it on purpose. I certainly don’t give a shit about being proven right about anything.