Newcastle v Villa post match

[Demitri_C]

Cant believe unai feels we reacted well after going 1 down. Thats just pure fantasy. We were bad for the whole game even with 11 men.

Not sure if you noticed but we didn't play the whole game with 11 men. We were certainly on top before the red card. Maybe you were watching Forest?

Were we? If you re read ny post i acknowledged the 10 men. Are you sure you were not watching citeh game? We were average  at best and i wouldnt say we were on top. More even game but we just collapsed after the 10 men [the usual when we go to 10]

We were coming back into the game and starting to control the ball, so your initial point about us being bad for the whole game is incorrect. We started badly, pulled ourselves together then Duran goes and it all goes pear shaped.

I disagree think you are being kind there. We were not. Apart from that freekick that duran wanted to take we created virtually  nothing. I think clutching at straws. Being on top is like we okayed vs citeh. We were nowhere near that level today with 11 or 10.

Bad day at the offfice

[Gerrin]

Sending off decision was correct, imo. But otherwise I thought the referee was terrible.

100% incorrect. Schar catches Duran 1st, Duran goes over on his left foot so where can his right foot go when it goes down? Nowhere except on to Schar! No intent whatsoever. Not even a yellow, just a coming together and Duran had every right to challenge a 50:50 ball. Linton on the other hand  DELIBERATELY swung an arm in Rogers face but no red?

On TV they made a big deal about Duran's right foot stamp. I think he had a go with his left first tbh, he was just stupid. I really hope some of the senior players have a word with him, Unai wouldn't even look at him as him went off, after hoofing tgat bottle.

Referee had a shocker, gave them a free kick on the edge of the box after Cash got thrown to the deck. Which I thought they should've scored from. It definitely seemed he was getting influenced by the crowd.

Not sure switching ends after the toss was a good idea at all, not sure why they did that? Never usually works out for the away team.

[Villa Lew]

No way can I see our appeal being successful and there is even the possiblity of an extra match ban, for in their eyes it been a frivolous appeal.

[brontebilly]

I really hope Tyrone returns for the next game. Why does Emery continue to leave him out? He can organise the defence as we all saw against Brentford when he got man-of-the match. Baffling.

Defence was pretty organised against Citeh. I’m not saying you’re wrong, but Brentford were dire and it’s not illustrative one way or the other in terms of organisation. He is probably the best in the air of our centre backs.

Ill get shot down for this, but despite the scoreline and performance, I dont think Torres and Digne did a lot wrong today.

The sending off killed us, but we completely lost the midfield battle today. Virtually everyone one of them
was out muscled. Not singling him out as the game was already lost, but Beundia looked like he was playing in the wrong division, slow, weak, ponderous

Don't think Onana was outmuscled. He won a lot of tackles today and held his own. Game turned on the red card really.

[Toronto Villa]

Today was tough after the start and then the red card. But we now have 3 very winnable games, 9 points up for grabs with Arsenal in the middle. The table could look much better in about a month.

[Hillbilly]

It was clear the ref was a homer from just before the sending off. A perfectly good tackle by Onana was given as a free kick. From the free kick a foul was given against Cash even though he was clearly pulled round by the shirt.

I think the sending off was debatable. Stopped watching at that point.

[The Edge]

Sending off decision was correct, imo. But otherwise I thought the referee was terrible.

100% incorrect. Schar catches Duran 1st, Duran goes over on his left foot so where can his right foot go when it goes down? Nowhere except on to Schar! No intent whatsoever. Not even a yellow, just a coming together and Duran had every right to challenge a 50:50 ball. Linton on the other hand  DELIBERATELY swung an arm in Rogers face but no red?

On TV they made a big deal about Duran's right foot stamp. I think he had a go with his left first tbh, he was just stupid. I really hope some of the senior players have a word with him, Unai wouldn't even look at him as him went off, after hoofing tgat bottle.

Referee had a shocker, gave them a free kick on the edge of the box after Cash got thrown to the deck. Which I thought they should've scored from. It definitely seemed he was getting influenced by the crowd.

Not sure switching ends after the toss was a good idea at all, not sure why they did that? Never usually works out for the away team.

He wrongly gave them a free kick on the halfway line then they launched it to the edge our box Cash got fouled and he again wrongly gave them the free kick in a great position. In the second half Rogers went on a great run from the halfway line then when he got fouled in a great position on the edge of their box he for no apparent reason he bought it back to the halfway line to give us a free kick there. Three inexplicable decisions from a piss poor referee. I'll say again that the ref did not cause us to lose that was of our own making and credit their tactics but fuck me he was bizarrely bad at times.

[Monty]

Thing is, I think it was probably a red, but the same interpretation of the footage that Duran did it on purpose would mean assuming Schar kicked him in the bollocks on purpose too. Which you have to take into account, as it's the obvious reason why Duran did it.

[Le Lapin]

Today was tough after the start and then the red card. But we now have 3 very winnable games, 9 points up for grabs with Arsenal in the middle. The table could look much better in about a month.

You are right Toronto, but we need Bailey and Watkins to find form. We are down Duran for a few games, he usually pulls our chestnuts out of the fire if we are in bother if Watkins is having a bad day. We need Bailey to get fit. Three winnable games could be tricky if we are carrying a few passengers.

[killeenm]

It's not too often I think the referee has truly materially impacted the flow of a game in favour of one team, but today was just inexcusable.

It was most obvious before the red when we started to look the better team. A whole series of ridiculous decisions went in Newcastle's favour, ending with the two 'free kicks' just before the red. The one on the half way line was never ever a foul, and the second was quite clearly a foul on Cash! He then gave the red based on the atmosphere and the crowd. I think Newcastle had a plan to try to wind up Duran and react massively if he responded at all. You see Schar actually kicked out at Duran first, then both the keeper and Burn were arms raised asking for a red in a flash. It was a trap that the referee fell for.

Not to mention Gordon with multiple unpunished shirt pulls, and the ref calling us back for Villa free kicks instead of letting us play on twice. It's a difficult place to go, but there's no hope when so many decisions go against you.

[ChicagoLion]

If Taylor isn't a bent ref, he did a very good impersonation of one.

[Hillbilly]

Just read Louise Taylor’s match report in the Guardian. If she thinks the sending off was dubious then it probably was. She’s pretty Newcastle uber alles usually.

[PeterWithesShin]

Duran had a cob on before the red, got a red, had a cob on once off the pitch. He's shown signs of maturity recently but he is still only just 21 and will hopefully learn.

We were never going to win, we rarely win away on Boxing Day in the PL, we rarely win at SJP.

[brontebilly]

Game obviously turned on red card, soft but don't think Duran can have as any complaints. We had played our way back into the game after the early goal. I thought pre game that Emery should have made a few changes and so it turned out. A number of our players looked leggy from the off. Damage limitation exercise once the killer second went in.

Martinez 6 - very lucky to get away with another pass to nobody that Newcastle should have punished. Some solid saves.
Cash 5 - not to blame for first for me but awful use of possession in attacking areas again. Had to square that shot in first half
Konsa 4 - very fortunate to get away with that clearance...couple of solid clearances but thought our CB pair were bullied easily by Isak
Torres 4 - poor yet again. Failing to cut out a series of crosses from that side, could have scored
Digne 6 - best of our back line with a reasonable display at both ends.
Kamara 5 - lost ball in build up to first. Overran really thereafter
Onana 6 - very good game spoiled by the error for the third goal
McGinn 3 - MIA for the first goal and a horror show in truth. Passing was back to championship level days.
Rogers 4 - a few good runs but a bit flat today and switched off for second goal
Tielemans 4 - miles off it and fortunate wasn't punished for being caught in possession
Duran 0 - started very well I thought but red cost us the game
Barkley had some nice touches, granted game was done. Kostas looks lost I'm afraid, maybe Buendia's last minutes for us. Watkins hardly had a kick. Bailey a bit meh but game was done anyway.

The oppo clearly saw Kamara as a key player because they really didn't give him any space at all.
I was surprised that Watkins came on so early: we conceded the midfield to them as a result.
I agree that Buendia really doesn't answer any questions.
You write off Nedeljkovic too easily: he'll be fine with some more minutes on the pitch.

Watkins had to come on I thought but was always going to be a tough stint in the second half. His hold up play and general touch looked a bit off. Anyway, chance for him to lay down a marker v Brighton.

Newcastle brought a lot of energy around the middle today. Bruno G and Joelinton are exceptional athletes. Murphy while limited is a runner and Gordon dropped inside a lot. We struggled with that as likes of McGinn, Tielemans and Rogers looked flat from the first whistle in comparison. But we were back in the game until the red card.

Anyway, Tielemans, Watkins, Kamara to mention three shouldn't be all that fatigued for Brighton.

[coreyfeldman]

Cant believe unai feels we reacted well after going 1 down. Thats just pure fantasy. We were bad for the whole game even with 11 men.

We weren't at all, we did react well and were playing with decent possession in good areas of the pitch