RB Leipzig vs Aston Villa post match thread.

[Percy McCarthy]

^^ Have you told lies before?

Shall we say you ‘mis-spoke’? Or would that make it hard for you to deflect?

How about this.. If we were on opposite sides of the Watkins/Duran debate, and I said ‘I prefer Watkins because he has scored more goals than Duran this season’ despite the fact that I know he hasn’t, what would you call that? Whatever word you choose to describe someone who would do that, we’ll go with it.

[Demitri_C]

Everything about the Amazon coverage is really good, it's a big step up from Sky and TNT and generally the people they get in as pundits are a much better mix. That applies to their Domestic games as well.

Completely agree paul. Even if amazon upped their prices and charged  10.99 i would pay it as its excellent value for money and the footie coverage as you say far superior than sky and tnt

[LeonW]

^^ Have you told lies before?

Shall we say you ‘mis-spoke’? Or would that make it hard for you to deflect?

How about this.. If we were on opposite sides of the Watkins/Duran debate, and I said ‘I prefer Watkins because he has scored more goals than Duran this season’ despite the fact that I know he hasn’t, what would you call that? Whatever word you choose to describe someone who would do that, we’ll go with it.

You do you, Sir.

[langleylions]

Fuck me , we cant even enjoy a great villa win in the champs league without the arseholes coming on and arguing among ourselves ,

[Percy McCarthy]

^^ Have you told lies before?

Shall we say you ‘mis-spoke’? Or would that make it hard for you to deflect?

How about this.. If we were on opposite sides of the Watkins/Duran debate, and I said ‘I prefer Watkins because he has scored more goals than Duran this season’ despite the fact that I know he hasn’t, what would you call that? Whatever word you choose to describe someone who would do that, we’ll go with it.

You do you, Sir.

Okay. I thought you had another word in mind for it. If you think of one, I’ll gladly edit.

[PaulTheVillan]

Fuck me , we cant even enjoy a great villa win in the champs league without the arseholes coming on and arguing among ourselves ,

Standard H&V

[Percy McCarthy]

Fuck me , we cant even enjoy a great villa win in the champs league without the arseholes coming on and arguing among ourselves ,

Standard H&V

‘Arseholes’ lol.

[Olneythelonely]

We just beat one of the best teams in Germany in the Champions League and should have been more. Not sure if that’s been lost in the Carlos (actually Martinez) mistakes.

[PaulWinch again]

I don't see Mings making a difference for the two conceded tonight.

I'm not sure he stops like Carlos did for the first, he would have more of a chance in a foot race than Carlos did for the second too. But it's not just the two goals, or the one Torres tried to gift them, when our defence was at sea the last 30 mins he would be organising people. That's where he is at his best. Konsa and Torres sunk late on and Carlos head was gone fouling everyone. There's no communication between them bar Konsa pointing fingers blaming others.

Emery needs to take criticism too. From commenting about Kosta going on loan yesterday, his decision to bring him on tonight nearly cost us. He was horribly out of his depth, sadly. There was no need for it either. Any of the centre backs could have been hooked without complaint to get Mings in. We could have shifted to a back 4 and moved Konsa over, taken off Torres.

Mings will have to come back in for Forest.

Ok but it’s not a direct comparison, in that generally the defensive play and structure was very good. There were a couple of glaring errors obviously, but the “sunk late on” point is probably about fatigue as much as anything. Had we had subs available we could have done something about it, but had Mings started it’s not something he’s immune to either.

[AV82EC]

Agreed, yes the defensive lapses mixups are annoying but we just absolutely trounced the team 4th in the Bundesliga. I’m going to focus on that. Some of our passing and progressive play was just sexy football.

I’m a believer mate.

[Drummond]

Definitely should be bringing Olsen in for Forest, Martinez seems to have an error in him every game.

[PaulTheVillan]

Fuck me , we cant even enjoy a great villa win in the champs league without the arseholes coming on and arguing among ourselves ,

Standard H&V

‘Arseholes’ lol.

I meant the arguments, not the arseholes part

[manic-road]

I thought we dominated and controlled most of the game, we gifted them two but fully deserved the win.

[Percy McCarthy]

Yeah, we were great. It’s a funny old world. Here we are, and yet I spent yesterday morning arguing with a Villa fan who was going on about his shit Watkins is.

I’m watching it again now. Kamara played very high (for him). And he was good at it.

[Smithy]

I know there is a lot of debate about how our defence needs to be better, but I'm slowly coming to terms with the fact that if we're going to pass out from the back, and regularly try to break presses, we are - unfortunately - going to get caught out sometimes.  I'm quite sure Unai and his team have done the maths and believe the benefits outweigh the costs, but it is obviously very disappointing when we lose a goal that could easily have been avoided by "putting your bloody boot through it!".  I have no doubt Emi clears that first goal (the lowest risk option) unless the team is under strict instructions to retain and recycle possession.

It was entirely his mistake, he's the player who can see the pitch, and his call, but I think he makes a different decision if our first instinct is the equivalent of "row Z, dafety first".   But it isn't. We're not that team any more.

The second goal was simply Carlos not being in line with Pau and Konsa when the long ball is played; if he is, Openda is a yard (at least ) offside.  A defensive mistake, but again a risk we take when we play our high-line (which for the most part, is excellent).

Pau could easily have gifted them a third with his pass to Openda in the second half, which again came from us trying to pass out from the back.

That's all a long way of me saying I'm coming to terms with the fact that we sometimes play a high-risk style of football, that is sometimes uncomfortable to watch, and sometimes costs us goals - because it also leads to some of the best football I've seen a Villa team play in decades, so I can live with it.

Would I like more clean sheets, more solid defensive performances? Of course I would.  Do I want that at the expense of our current playing style? Absolutely not.