RB Leipzig vs Aston Villa post match thread.

[CT Villan]

Good win that should have been a lot more comfortable.

Kamara was my MOTM. Was very pleased to see Rogers starting to find a bit of form again and SJM was also great. Stating the obvious, but the defence needs a collective boot up the arse to cut out the sloppiness.

[eamonn]

Did a double-take when the commentator said that Leipzig were bringing "Kevin Campbell" (sic) off the bench at half time. Back from the dead and out of retirement, you mean? Surely not!

[usav]

I don't see Mings making a difference for the two conceded tonight.

I'm not sure he stops like Carlos did for the first….

He wouldn’t have been playing in Carlos’ position, so it’s a moot point.  As I said already, Mings being in the team would not have changed either of the goals tonight.

If people want to make the argument that he should play against Forest to go up against Wood, then fair enough.  However, the illusion that he’s the answer to every defensive issue is nonsense - and let’s not even talk about replacing Torres’ distribution, because he can’t.

[Percy McCarthy]

Played some lovely attacking football at times. Let down by some poor finishing and then the Chaos Panda does what he does. But Carlos…my god. An absolute f*cking liability. We can’t be a serious team with him playing. We really struggled down the right once Cash went off.

Some facts, and some almost certainly correct conjecture.

We qualified for the CL by two points. We did that by keeping clean sheets against Arsenal at home, Man City, and Arsenal away. Had we played Cash/Konsa/Pau + a left back in those games, we wouldn’t be in the CL.

We are where we are in the CL because we kept clean sheets against Bayern Munich and Juventus (not to mention Young Boys and Bologna because we didn’t need clean sheets to beat them). Had we played Cash/Konsa/Pau + a left back in the Bayern and Juve games we wouldn’t have 13 points.

And yet people think we desperately need to change the defence that has kept 15 of our last 21 clean sheets, including all those mentioned above, to the one that concedes goals against virtually everybody, including Sheffield Fucking United last season. (At home that is, we kept one in the away game. Guess who played).

I know I’m known on here for banging on about this, but think about my position. I’m arguing with dozens of people who’s position is that given the choice between a defence that concedes fewer goals and keeps more clean sheets, or one than concedes more goals and keeps fewer clean sheets, they would actually prefer the latter. Not for a team they hate, BUT FOR THE TEAM THEY SUPPORT.

In all the back and forth on this subject, no-one has explained to me why they prefer a less efficient defensive line-up.

If you could start your replies with “I prefer a defence that concedes more goals and keeps fewer clean sheets because…” that would be a great help, because if you fail to acknowledge that truth, the rest of your answer will probably be bullshit as well.

[Percy McCarthy]

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[sid1964]

Our passing football was a joy to watch and the way that we found space to pass through their midfield.

Duran's goal had me leaping around my living room, a superb strike, shame his 2nd was ruled out for offside, his hold up play was very good, Unai and his coaching team are doing a wonderful job with their coaching.

Kamara was MOTM.

[stevo_st]

I presumed Konsa heard a call for Emi to make him stop running for the first goal.
Seemed a mix up between those two.

[LeonW]

Played some lovely attacking football at times. Let down by some poor finishing and then the Chaos Panda does what he does. But Carlos…my god. An absolute f*cking liability. We can’t be a serious team with him playing. We really struggled down the right once Cash went off.

Some facts, and some almost certainly correct conjecture.

We qualified for the CL by two points. We did that by keeping clean sheets against Arsenal at home, Man City, and Arsenal away. Had we played Cash/Konsa/Pau + a left back in those games, we wouldn’t be in the CL.

We are where we are in the CL because we kept clean sheets against Bayern Munich and Juventus (not to mention Young Boys and Bologna because we didn’t need clean sheets to beat them). Had we played Cash/Konsa/Pau + a left back in the Bayern and Juve games we wouldn’t have 13 points.

And yet people think we desperately need to change the defence that has kept 15 of our last 21 clean sheets, including all those mentioned above, to the one that concedes goals against virtually everybody, including Sheffield Fucking United last season. (At home that is, we kept one in the away game. Guess who played).

I know I’m known on here for banging on about this, but think about my position. I’m arguing with dozens of people who’s position is that given the choice between a defence that concedes fewer goals and keeps more clean sheets, or one than concedes more goals and keeps fewer clean sheets, they would actually prefer the latter. Not for a team they hate, BUT FOR THE TEAM THEY SUPPORT.

In all the back and forth on this subject, no-one has explained to me why they prefer a less efficient defensive line-up.

I’d heard about this happening to others. If it helps, I actually don’t mind Konsa at right back/right sided defender. But Carlos is horrendous and needs upgrading on. Every game he’ll f*ck up with a clanger. Think about how much easier it might have been last season with a competent centre half. Emery knows it and wanted rid. If he valued/rated him so much we wouldn’t have tried offloading him to Fulham would we. And that was him participating in a side which qualified for the champions league. He’s here because of PSR reasons only.

[Percy McCarthy]

Played some lovely attacking football at times. Let down by some poor finishing and then the Chaos Panda does what he does. But Carlos…my god. An absolute f*cking liability. We can’t be a serious team with him playing. We really struggled down the right once Cash went off.

Some facts, and some almost certainly correct conjecture.

We qualified for the CL by two points. We did that by keeping clean sheets against Arsenal at home, Man City, and Arsenal away. Had we played Cash/Konsa/Pau + a left back in those games, we wouldn’t be in the CL.

We are where we are in the CL because we kept clean sheets against Bayern Munich and Juventus (not to mention Young Boys and Bologna because we didn’t need clean sheets to beat them). Had we played Cash/Konsa/Pau + a left back in the Bayern and Juve games we wouldn’t have 13 points.

And yet people think we desperately need to change the defence that has kept 15 of our last 21 clean sheets, including all those mentioned above, to the one that concedes goals against virtually everybody, including Sheffield Fucking United last season. (At home that is, we kept one in the away game. Guess who played).

I know I’m known on here for banging on about this, but think about my position. I’m arguing with dozens of people who’s position is that given the choice between a defence that concedes fewer goals and keeps more clean sheets, or one than concedes more goals and keeps fewer clean sheets, they would actually prefer the latter. Not for a team they hate, BUT FOR THE TEAM THEY SUPPORT.

In all the back and forth on this subject, no-one has explained to me why they prefer a less efficient defensive line-up.

Every game he’ll f*ck up with a clanger.

See, if you have to lie about it, it’s because the truth is not on your side.

[LeonW]

Played some lovely attacking football at times. Let down by some poor finishing and then the Chaos Panda does what he does. But Carlos…my god. An absolute f*cking liability. We can’t be a serious team with him playing. We really struggled down the right once Cash went off.

Some facts, and some almost certainly correct conjecture.

We qualified for the CL by two points. We did that by keeping clean sheets against Arsenal at home, Man City, and Arsenal away. Had we played Cash/Konsa/Pau + a left back in those games, we wouldn’t be in the CL.

We are where we are in the CL because we kept clean sheets against Bayern Munich and Juventus (not to mention Young Boys and Bologna because we didn’t need clean sheets to beat them). Had we played Cash/Konsa/Pau + a left back in the Bayern and Juve games we wouldn’t have 13 points.

And yet people think we desperately need to change the defence that has kept 15 of our last 21 clean sheets, including all those mentioned above, to the one that concedes goals against virtually everybody, including Sheffield Fucking United last season. (At home that is, we kept one in the away game. Guess who played).

I know I’m known on here for banging on about this, but think about my position. I’m arguing with dozens of people who’s position is that given the choice between a defence that concedes fewer goals and keeps more clean sheets, or one than concedes more goals and keeps fewer clean sheets, they would actually prefer the latter. Not for a team they hate, BUT FOR THE TEAM THEY SUPPORT.

In all the back and forth on this subject, no-one has explained to me why they prefer a less efficient defensive line-up.

Every game he’ll f*ck up with a clanger.

No lies permitted in the answers.

Or name them.

Er…just last night alone the first goal?!??

[Percy McCarthy]

Played some lovely attacking football at times. Let down by some poor finishing and then the Chaos Panda does what he does. But Carlos…my god. An absolute f*cking liability. We can’t be a serious team with him playing. We really struggled down the right once Cash went off.

Some facts, and some almost certainly correct conjecture.

We qualified for the CL by two points. We did that by keeping clean sheets against Arsenal at home, Man City, and Arsenal away. Had we played Cash/Konsa/Pau + a left back in those games, we wouldn’t be in the CL.

We are where we are in the CL because we kept clean sheets against Bayern Munich and Juventus (not to mention Young Boys and Bologna because we didn’t need clean sheets to beat them). Had we played Cash/Konsa/Pau + a left back in the Bayern and Juve games we wouldn’t have 13 points.

And yet people think we desperately need to change the defence that has kept 15 of our last 21 clean sheets, including all those mentioned above, to the one that concedes goals against virtually everybody, including Sheffield Fucking United last season. (At home that is, we kept one in the away game. Guess who played).

I know I’m known on here for banging on about this, but think about my position. I’m arguing with dozens of people who’s position is that given the choice between a defence that concedes fewer goals and keeps more clean sheets, or one than concedes more goals and keeps fewer clean sheets, they would actually prefer the latter. Not for a team they hate, BUT FOR THE TEAM THEY SUPPORT.

In all the back and forth on this subject, no-one has explained to me why they prefer a less efficient defensive line-up.

Every game he’ll f*ck up with a clanger.

No lies permitted in the answers.

Or name them.

Er…just last night alone the first goal?!??

Every game you said. Were you lying?

[LeonW]

Played some lovely attacking football at times. Let down by some poor finishing and then the Chaos Panda does what he does. But Carlos…my god. An absolute f*cking liability. We can’t be a serious team with him playing. We really struggled down the right once Cash went off.

Some facts, and some almost certainly correct conjecture.

We qualified for the CL by two points. We did that by keeping clean sheets against Arsenal at home, Man City, and Arsenal away. Had we played Cash/Konsa/Pau + a left back in those games, we wouldn’t be in the CL.

We are where we are in the CL because we kept clean sheets against Bayern Munich and Juventus (not to mention Young Boys and Bologna because we didn’t need clean sheets to beat them). Had we played Cash/Konsa/Pau + a left back in the Bayern and Juve games we wouldn’t have 13 points.

And yet people think we desperately need to change the defence that has kept 15 of our last 21 clean sheets, including all those mentioned above, to the one that concedes goals against virtually everybody, including Sheffield Fucking United last season. (At home that is, we kept one in the away game. Guess who played).

I know I’m known on here for banging on about this, but think about my position. I’m arguing with dozens of people who’s position is that given the choice between a defence that concedes fewer goals and keeps more clean sheets, or one than concedes more goals and keeps fewer clean sheets, they would actually prefer the latter. Not for a team they hate, BUT FOR THE TEAM THEY SUPPORT.

In all the back and forth on this subject, no-one has explained to me why they prefer a less efficient defensive line-up.

Every game he’ll f*ck up with a clanger.

No lies permitted in the answers.

Or name them.

Er…just last night alone the first goal?!??

Every game you said. Were you lying?

Bit weird this. Not sure if you’re on the wind up. What are you expecting here? If you can’t see that Carlos is a complete liability and is error prone i’m not sure what I can do for you.

[Percy McCarthy]

Played some lovely attacking football at times. Let down by some poor finishing and then the Chaos Panda does what he does. But Carlos…my god. An absolute f*cking liability. We can’t be a serious team with him playing. We really struggled down the right once Cash went off.

Some facts, and some almost certainly correct conjecture.

We qualified for the CL by two points. We did that by keeping clean sheets against Arsenal at home, Man City, and Arsenal away. Had we played Cash/Konsa/Pau + a left back in those games, we wouldn’t be in the CL.

We are where we are in the CL because we kept clean sheets against Bayern Munich and Juventus (not to mention Young Boys and Bologna because we didn’t need clean sheets to beat them). Had we played Cash/Konsa/Pau + a left back in the Bayern and Juve games we wouldn’t have 13 points.

And yet people think we desperately need to change the defence that has kept 15 of our last 21 clean sheets, including all those mentioned above, to the one that concedes goals against virtually everybody, including Sheffield Fucking United last season. (At home that is, we kept one in the away game. Guess who played).

I know I’m known on here for banging on about this, but think about my position. I’m arguing with dozens of people who’s position is that given the choice between a defence that concedes fewer goals and keeps more clean sheets, or one than concedes more goals and keeps fewer clean sheets, they would actually prefer the latter. Not for a team they hate, BUT FOR THE TEAM THEY SUPPORT.

In all the back and forth on this subject, no-one has explained to me why they prefer a less efficient defensive line-up.

Every game he’ll f*ck up with a clanger.

No lies permitted in the answers.

Or name them.

Er…just last night alone the first goal?!??

Every game you said. Were you lying?

Bit weird this. Not sure if you’re on the wind up. What are you expecting here? If you can’t see that Carlos is a complete liability and is error prone i’m not sure what I can do for you.

Maybe the fact that you have to make things up to prove your point is telling. Tell me about the clanger he dropped at Arsenal last season? Bayern Munich at home? They must have happened, because you just said they did.

[Percy McCarthy]

Obviously, I’ve seen him make errors. But as a Villa fan, this doesn’t make me pine for a defence that concedes more goals and keeps fewer clean sheets.That’s the bit I don’t get.

[LeonW]

Played some lovely attacking football at times. Let down by some poor finishing and then the Chaos Panda does what he does. But Carlos…my god. An absolute f*cking liability. We can’t be a serious team with him playing. We really struggled down the right once Cash went off.

Some facts, and some almost certainly correct conjecture.

We qualified for the CL by two points. We did that by keeping clean sheets against Arsenal at home, Man City, and Arsenal away. Had we played Cash/Konsa/Pau + a left back in those games, we wouldn’t be in the CL.

We are where we are in the CL because we kept clean sheets against Bayern Munich and Juventus (not to mention Young Boys and Bologna because we didn’t need clean sheets to beat them). Had we played Cash/Konsa/Pau + a left back in the Bayern and Juve games we wouldn’t have 13 points.

And yet people think we desperately need to change the defence that has kept 15 of our last 21 clean sheets, including all those mentioned above, to the one that concedes goals against virtually everybody, including Sheffield Fucking United last season. (At home that is, we kept one in the away game. Guess who played).

I know I’m known on here for banging on about this, but think about my position. I’m arguing with dozens of people who’s position is that given the choice between a defence that concedes fewer goals and keeps more clean sheets, or one than concedes more goals and keeps fewer clean sheets, they would actually prefer the latter. Not for a team they hate, BUT FOR THE TEAM THEY SUPPORT.

In all the back and forth on this subject, no-one has explained to me why they prefer a less efficient defensive line-up.

Every game he’ll f*ck up with a clanger.

No lies permitted in the answers.

Or name them.

Er…just last night alone the first goal?!??

Every game you said. Were you lying?

Bit weird this. Not sure if you’re on the wind up. What are you expecting here? If you can’t see that Carlos is a complete liability and is error prone i’m not sure what I can do for you.

Maybe the fact that you have to make things up to prove your point is telling. Tell me about the clanger he dropped at Arsenal last season? Bayern Munich at home? They must have happened, because you just said they did.

I don’t think I’ve ever been called a liar on this forum before.