Aston Villa vs Juventus post-match thread.

[Chris Smith]

I thought we looked much more like what we have come to expect from an Emery team. Well organised and able to retain possession and limit chances for the opposition. Hopefully it’s a sign that we’re over our blip.

[The Man With A Stick]

Just watched the highlights back for the first time since getting home last night and my opinion hasn't changed that the goal should have stood.  Thought the standard of refs might improve based on some of the absolute fucking clowns we got in the Conference League, but evidently not.  I don't like to think that there's an agenda for the big boys to get the results they need but you do have to wonder.

[tomd2103]

On the tellybox after Rogers put it in, it stayed 0-0 on the screen for what seemed like ages, then changed to 1-0, showed a re-run of Rogers celebrating then went back to 0-0. It was all a bit odd.

Yeah I think there must've been a delay between the ref's earpiece and the mafia.

Haven't been able to browse through the various reports yet, but has there been any more mention about the decision?  The BBC report I have read said the goal was ruled out by VAR, which poses some big questions about the process that was used to arrive at that decision.

If the ref gave it as a foul, then no real issues with that.  I would question the decision as I felt the keeper's momentum took him into Carlos rather and as Mark Halsey pointed out on Talksport this morning, the keeper didn't have control of the ball when they collided.  That said, any contact with a keeper in mid-air pretty much always results in a foul being given, so it isn't surprising that it was on this occasion.

If, however, the ref gave it as a goal and was then essentially overruled by someone sitting in an office goodness knows where, then questions should be asked.  Surely in that scenario, the correct process would be for there to be an official VAR check and the referee to look at it on a monitor?  No VAR check came up on the screens and he certainly didn't go over and view any footage. 

Either way, it was poorly handled by the referee and it left everyone in the ground, including the players, confused.

[LeeB]

Just watched the highlights back for the first time since getting home last night and my opinion hasn't changed that the goal should have stood.  Thought the standard of refs might improve based on some of the absolute fucking clowns we got in the Conference League, but evidently not.  I don't like to think that there's an agenda for the big boys to get the results they need but you do have to wonder.

When the entire structure of the competition is altered to make sure the big players get more games and revenue, you do have to wonder how far it actually goes reality.

[PeterWithe]

I assumed that the ref had given the foul and VAR saw nothing to overule with that decision.

[Rigadon]

It happened too quickly too.  A goal that definitely decides a tight game and it took about 20 seconds to resolve.  Feels like something went wrong to me. 

[UK Redsox]

I assumed that the ref had given the foul and VAR saw nothing to overall with that decision.

Yep. Although at first, from the LTR, I thought he'd signalled a goal. Thinking back, he probably gave the foul. Since VAR saw nothing clear to overturn that, he wasn't sent to the screen

[UK Redsox]

I known that Jonathan Liew tends towards the pretentious, but I think he's got things about right here

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/nov/28/emery-has-tools-to-fix-aston-villa-but-overloaded-watkins-needs-support

[Hookeysmith]

Martinez - apart from the single world class save not really anything to do of note

Cash - Still chops inside a little too much but did well both back and forward

Carlos - sure all night long, some of his long balls came off - was funny to see him go on a Hutton and looked like he was going to shit himself

Torres - cool as a cucumber

Digne - great in the tackle against a very dangerous and tricky winger - shame about the cross bar effort

McGinn - Not a huge on the ball contributor but ran his balls off on our press - should of leathered the chance he had

Kamara - Rolls Royce of a player - keep him fit and we will be back

Tielemans - thought he had another good game only shackled by a ridiculous yellow early doors

Bailey - Certainly starting to see a return to previous high levels - needs a goal

Rogers  - as many have said looks gassed - we need to remember his age and the weight of expectation on him - maybe time to try Buendia or Ramsay when fit

Watkins - ran their back 4 all night - great attempt saved but nothing else really

Subs

Duran - again i think the new weight of expectation is sitting heavy with him and he is not a "unknown" kid anymore

Barklay -  some nice confident touches and passes

Others - nothing to report

Ref - very poor

Them - although if ever a team lived up to the cheating, black arts using stereotype it is them - you still have to admire their defensive qualities and close passing is superb

Overall - i really enjoyed the game, very tight, tactical battle that could of gone either way with us just shading it on actual chances.

Fancy us now against Chelsea

[VillaTim]

It happened too quickly too.  A goal that definitely decides a tight game and it took about 20 seconds to resolve.  Feels like something went wrong to me.

did the ref blow for a foul straight away or a goal. Didn't seem clear on TV

[LeeB]

Martinez - apart from the single world class save not really anything to do of note

Cash - Still chops inside a little too much but did well both back and forward

Carlos - sure all night long, some of his long balls came off - was funny to see him go on a Hutton and looked like he was going to shit himself

Torres - cool as a cucumber

Digne - great in the tackle against a very dangerous and tricky winger - shame about the cross bar effort

McGinn - Not a huge on the ball contributor but ran his balls off on our press - should of leathered the chance he had

Kamara - Rolls Royce of a player - keep him fit and we will be back

Tielemans - thought he had another good game only shackled by a ridiculous yellow early doors

Bailey - Certainly starting to see a return to previous high levels - needs a goal

Rogers  - as many have said looks gassed - we need to remember his age and the weight of expectation on him - maybe time to try Buendia or Ramsay when fit

Watkins - ran their back 4 all night - great attempt saved but nothing else really

Subs

Duran - again i think the new weight of expectation is sitting heavy with him and he is not a "unknown" kid anymore

Barklay -  some nice confident touches and passes

Others - nothing to report

Ref - very poor

Them - although if ever a team lived up to the cheating, black arts using stereotype it is them - you still have to admire their defensive qualities and close passing is superb

Overall - i really enjoyed the game, very tight, tactical battle that could of gone either way with us just shading it on actual chances.

Fancy us now against Chelsea

I do too seeing that type of performance.

[ez]

I thought he pointed to the centre spot, twice actually.

[frank black]

I think it was the very definition of a dour 0-0 draw. There was some quality on display, but it wasn't an action packed end-to-end classic.

Definitely not a game for the neutrals to watch.

[Brazilian Villain]

I knew he wasn't going to give the goal, right or wrong, just knew it as soon as you come together with a keeper in the air in Europe.

Yeah me too. The kids were jumping up and down and hugging each other, I didn’t move.

No surprise given you're more knowledgeable than most about the Italian mafia and their corrupt ways.

[Beard82]

I thought he pointed to the centre spot, twice actually.

I did at the time - but I think he was pointing for a free kick on reflection.   I think most people thought it was a goal in the ground - but I think the ref gave the freekick - Var checked to see if it would be overturned (i.e. a goal).  They said no.  So he pointed again (to show the direction of the free kick).  He then did the no goal signal (at the time I thought it was VAR but on reflection I think was the no goal).

I think thats why Morgan reacted the way he did in his muted celebration.

Not sure how the refree gave it as a foul from where he was - the contact was minimal and after he had failed to grab it.  I was expecting VAR to overturn it if had been given as the GK was acting like he had been cut in half.