Aston Villa vs Juventus post-match thread.

[Percy McCarthy]

Having been at the game, I seemingly enjoyed it more than a lot of those who watched on TV, which maybe is due to the tension that was in the air at the ground, I dunno? But I thought we did well. Kamara was ace, automatic first choice when fit. The defence was good and I really appreciated Cash having a good game. I’m not his biggest fan but if he could stay fit that really helps with our squad strength and options. Four clean sheets that could have been five out of five were it not for that freak occurrence in Brugge.

Going forward we would have fared much better had lots of attacks not broken down at the feet of Morgz, but Ollie looked sharp first half and Bailey is improving gradually.

All that left me feeling optimistic as I left the ground.

[coreyfeldman]

Emery's subs of late are baffling and has cost us.

What subs do you think should have been made?

Kamara is coming back from injury and can't play 90 mins yet, he had to come off. Buendia has been so powderpuff that bringing Rogers off would have been a bad call despite his performance- obviously almost scored the winner. Can't see what other changes were available?

Bournemouth he got it wrong and it cost us
The subs v Palace were wrong and deflated us
Tonight Rogers should have gone on HT , 60 mins latest .

Rogers for who? It's really easy to say someone should come off without having any fucking clue about who's coming on for them though isn't it

[brontebilly]

Emery's subs of late are baffling and has cost us.

What subs do you think should have been made?

Kamara is coming back from injury and can't play 90 mins yet, he had to come off. Buendia has been so powderpuff that bringing Rogers off would have been a bad call despite his performance- obviously almost scored the winner. Can't see what other changes were available?

Bournemouth he got it wrong and it cost us
The subs v Palace were wrong and deflated us
Tonight Rogers should have gone on HT , 60 mins latest .

Rogers for who? It's really easy to say someone should come off without having any fucking clue about who's coming on for them though isn't it

Thought Buendia was the obvious change with McGinn going to the left. Rogers needs a breather, had a shocker tonight. Cautious game, McGinn missed a great chance and Emi made a miracle save. Kamara very strong on his return and Cash was very solid I thought. Little else to report on.

[Ads]

I thought we benefitted tonight or last night from Rogers not being central and not the fulcrum of attack. There was definitely a solidness to our shape and we were quite content for the Ramsey stamper to whip balls into...nobody on the odd ocassion they went forward and ceased boring us to tears.

Kamara grew into the game, really impressively second half. I liked McGinn at 10, he should have scored too, but I'd still like to see Tielemans a bit further forward. The booking cost him an ability to influence the game more.

Referee was appalling. Wouldn't be surprised if the biggest cheats in football hadn't paid him off. It was definitely a goal. Absolutely robbed.

Still, Cash and Bailey looking improved second half. I really like Cash and his tenacity. First half I felt he checked back too frequently, but had more purpose second half.

Rogers is out of sorts at present. A marauding JJ would have been welcome. As would a driving Onana. A clean sheet, definitely not the Juventus people remember. Leipzig all but out and crying out for a shovelling to end their misery in a couple of weeks.

[BC54 VFC]

What was Rogers pass completion? Looked like he was kicking a bag of dildos all night. Then shushing after he thought he'd scored...don't lap up all the plaudits then sulk when you get a little criticism kiddo.

I'm afraid that Morgan Rogers is quickly turning into Jude Bellingham Mk II. His England call up came at exactly the wrong time. He would have been better off spending time at Bodymoor Heath learning how to pass a ball.

[pelty]

Nevermind. Not worth it.

[Rory]

Surprised people on here being so generous. I thought we were beyond wank today with the exception of Emi and Kamara. No threat. Meandering around. Bailey was rubbish again. Rogers absolutely terrible. Tielemans bang average. Disgusting performance and Emery does not look like he has any answers. Looks like a mid-table kind of year if things keep going the way they have been.

Disgusting? Really?

Yep

Even if we finish mid-table, that would be 'disgusting'?

We were playing Juventus in the Champion's League.

You know this is Aston Villa, not Arsenal? Your ludicrous sense of entitlement is misplaced.

[PaulWinch again]

Surprised people on here being so generous. I thought we were beyond wank today with the exception of Emi and Kamara. No threat. Meandering around. Bailey was rubbish again. Rogers absolutely terrible. Tielemans bang average. Disgusting performance and Emery does not look like he has any answers. Looks like a mid-table kind of year if things keep going the way they have been.

Twattish comment if I may say so.

Don’t know about twattish, but incredibly glass half empty. We are struggling and need to be more resilient, we showed that tonight. The attacking play absolutely has to get sharper, but it’s not like flicking a switch when you’re going through a tough patch. If guy can’t see that’s a step in the right direction, but obviously with a lot more to do well it’s quite a naive view.

[PaulWinch again]

Oh and the earlier comment about Rogers being “found out” is just daft. He’s obviously tired (possibly unwell)/out of form. He’s not doing the things he was doing well earlier in the season, he’s shown he can do them.

[OzVilla]

I thought we did ok, both sides struggled to get any momentum in their play largely due to the hapless twat in Orange who killed the game as a spectacle with his ridiculously early card happy spree and endless whistle blowing for bugger all. The fact that the largest cheer of the game was for their 1st booking tells you everything.

As for the 'goal', he gave the foul immediately and although soft they get given these days, my only surprise being that Rogers didn't sky it into the Holte.

But a point against Juve isn't the worst outcome and both teams will be relatively content. God that ref was awful though.

[brontebilly]

Martinez 8, Cash 8, Carlos 7, Torres 6, Digne 6, Kamara 8, Tielemans 6, Bailey 7, Rogers 4, McGinn 6, Watkins 6.

[mrfuse]

Zaniolo? Hardly.

Rogers keeps giving the ball away , cannot do that at this level.
Zaniolo would draw fouls and get us up the pitch better , we are missing that , yes Rogers started well but has now been rumbled and it's not working.

Can't believe you've doubled down on Zaniolo. Rogers hasn't been rumbled in any shape or form.

[andyh]

For a 0-0 I thought it was an excellent game of football. I actually enjoyed the game.
We looked far more balanced across team than previously, and Kamara was briilliant.

I must say, in the 45+ years I have been going to Villa Park, I have never, ever known a time where I have stood there for so long knowing if we had scored or not.

The referee was atrocious, from start to finish, and was relishing looking like tango man and being the centre of attention.

Finally, the ‘Villa Villan’ thing at the start  was inspired. Bravo, to whoever came up with that.

[frank black]

An interesting game, not the most entertaining on a cold night. I thought we coped well with them and on balance should/could have won.

What did amuse me in the last minute was watching Tielemans standing over the ball looking back at the bench for permission to lump it into the box. Unai clearly hates this approach and the players know it. (Even in the last 10 seconds of a game)

[Monty]

Martinez 8, Cash 8, Carlos 7, Torres 6, Digne 6, Kamara 8, Tielemans 6, Bailey 7, Rogers 4, McGinn 6, Watkins 6.

Lord help me I agree with Bronte's player ratings (though perhaps I'd give Cash a 7 - meaning I'm the misery-arse here!).

I don't know if I was 'disgusted' by that display exactly, but then I am moderately sane.