Aston Villa 2 Crystal Palace 2. Post Match Thread.

[ChicagoLion]

I thought we finally gained some momentum after the second goal, but bringing Rogers  and Bailey off for Beundia and in particular Bidace killed it. I guess Emery had one eye on Juventus on Wednesday and thats one of the differences this season, champions league.

Banging on constantly (Villa Tim) about the defence being shit, is really missing the point. The centre of midfield is all wrong at the moment and its far to easy to just drive through us. As others have said and Ive said previously, I think Onana and Kamara may be an answer to this.

Some positives in a bleak wet horrible day with a massively flat holte end. I thought as shit as Bailey was in the first 15 mins, after he hit the bar with that thunderfuck, he was much better and  there were green shoots snd signs last years Bailey is in there somewhere.

How I saw it as well. Until we sort out central midfield we will keep dropping points.

[Proposition Joe]

Watched from the lower north today which gave me a different perspective and watching us be so sloooooooooow from the back did my head in. Why does Carlos amble forward a few yards, stop, have think, then pass it to cash. Why can’t we move the ball quicker 😤

When we did move it quicker through the lines, we scored the equaliser.

[Monty]

Buendia immediately nibbled and harried and dug out a throughball that nearly led to something. It was something we'd been lacking, some bite and urgency of our own on transitions.

Philogene, I remain half-convinced he'll end up at rightback if he's going to have a top-flight career.

[Neil Hawkes]

We are not harrying the opposition midfield enough, we may not always win the ball back, but at least it stops them having the time to choose a killer pass.
This is where we miss Kamara and Onana.

[Clampy]

We are not harrying the opposition midfield enough, we may not always win the ball back, but at least it stops them having the time to choose a killer pass.
This is where we miss Kamara and Onana.

Yeah, that's what was missing yesterday. I know Barkley (who was decent by the way) played that role for Luton but we really could do with Kamara or Onana back in there.

[eye digress]

Buendia immediately nibbled and harried and dug out a throughball that nearly led to something. It was something we'd been lacking, some bite and urgency of our own on transitions.

Philogene, I remain half-convinced he'll end up at rightback if he's going to have a top-flight career.

Maybe I am clutching at straws, but I was encouraged by Philogene on one occasion taking on his man and getting a ball into the box, quite cleverly, I felt. Not too shabby for 10 minutes on the pitch.

[VillaTim]

Onana and Kamara played at Anfield and the defence was still poor .

[Monty]

Onana and Kamara played at Anfield

Not together.

[Monty]

Buendia immediately nibbled and harried and dug out a throughball that nearly led to something. It was something we'd been lacking, some bite and urgency of our own on transitions.

Philogene, I remain half-convinced he'll end up at rightback if he's going to have a top-flight career.

Maybe I am clutching at straws, but I was encouraged by Philogene on one occasion taking on his man and getting a ball into the box, quite cleverly, I felt. Not too shabby for 10 minutes on the pitch.

He could still do that as a fullback though, indeed would be expected to. He does have excellent positioning and tenacity as well.

[Ads]

Kamara came on for Onana and the defence was fine in open play. Typical error from Carlos that we've come to expect for the second and a ridiculously naive set up for the corner leading the first.

[eye digress]

Onana and Kamara played at Anfield and the defence was still poor .

But not quite in the same way, I don’t think. I can’t recall Liverpool’s midfielders marauding onto our centre backs. I do recall two very fast breakaway goals where we were chasing rather than defending. Yesterday the issue seemed to be with Mateta coming slightly deeper into the midfield area and being able to turn and face the defenders, or midfielders being played into the pocket in front of them.

[VillaTim]

onana and Kamara both seem injury prone so however highly people may rate them if they are often unavailable through injury then they aren't much use.

[Monty]

onana and Kamara both seem injury prone so however highly people may rate them if they are often unavailable through injury then they aren't much use.

Onana's missed about two months in five years?

But hey, whatever makes you miserable.

[PeterWithe]

Thought we looked better going forward with Bailey showing a few flashes of getting back to the form we need him to be in, Watkins held the ball up well and generally looked threatening apart from that inexplicable instance when he was through and just seemed to slow down and have the ball taken off him. Intro of Cash was a positive reaction to the first half issues.

Thought Palace were very well set up to nullify us, men behind the ball quickly and deeply when we have the ball, allowed us to get plenty of players forward, then put on an aggressive press and broke with pace and numbers.

We look pretty chaotic at the back and that needs serious and immediate attention, we give up far too many chances. I get that we share missing players but Palace played through our midfield like a knife through butter.

Also I thought the final subs were ill judged, Bailey and Rogers, albeit the latter looking well off it up until then, were in a spell where they looked threatening and had a head of steam up. Philogene was abject, he looks physically weak, nowhere near good enough with the ball and a waste of a sub. Thought it telling Cash seemed reluctant to give him the ball, or run past him.

Overall, decent with the ball. Poor without it.

[Mark W]

I thought we finally gained some momentum after the second goal, but bringing Rogers  and Bailey off for Beundia and in particular Bidace killed it. I guess Emery had one eye on Juventus on Wednesday and thats one of the differences this season, champions league.

Banging on constantly (Villa Tim) about the defence being shit, is really missing the point. The centre of midfield is all wrong at the moment and its far to easy to just drive through us. As others have said and Ive said previously, I think Onana and Kamara may be an answer to this.

Some positives in a bleak wet horrible day with a massively flat holte end. I thought as shit as Bailey was in the first 15 mins, after he hit the bar with that thunderfuck, he was much better and  there were green shoots snd signs last years Bailey is in there somewhere.

Rogers come off after being hacked down by (what looked from the Trinity like) a pretty horrendous tackle which only earned a yellow. He was down for a time afterwards and limping.