Aston Villa 2 Crystal Palace 2. Post Match Thread.

[VillaTim]

As an aside, did you see all the empty seats yesterday? This is what’s going to happen when CL prices are so ridiculous. A lot of people can’t afford those matches and league games as well. If Heck had just been sensible regarding the CL prices, I think we would have had very few, if any, empty seats for the league matches. Put the 2 together and the club, overall, are not making any extra money plus, not a good look for our PL games with so many gaps.

Loads of empties Witton lower

[KevinGage]

Mings is better on the ball (though admittedly not Torres levels) than many give him credit for as well.

[Risso]

Mings is better on the ball (though admittedly not Torres levels) than many give him credit for as well.

Yeah, Tyrone's long passing is usually OK. We're losing more from the fact that Torres is slow and not very strong, and is positionally suspect, than we are from his ability on the ball at the moment. Maybe when Kamara is fully fit he'll come into his own again, but at the moment he's a liability.

[RamboandBruno]

At least Mings has got a bit of pace to get himself back in to position, unlike Torres. We need to go back to basics and stop conceding goals. Torres is absolutely dreadful at that part of the game.

Its a conundrum though, as Torres is also integral to how Emery wants to play and also integral to our best league finish in nearly 39 years. As much as I love Mings and he is better at the basics if defending, he doesn’t possess the ability to beat the press that Torres gives us. We don’t score our first goal yesterday without Torres, we don’t score the goal against Bayern, there are loads of examples.
Could he try Mings and Torres together perhaps?
You can’t drop Torres for me and we have to instead be harder to break through in midfield. Lets see where we are once Kamara and Onana are back up and running.

[RamboandBruno]

At least Mings has got a bit of pace to get himself back in to position, unlike Torres. We need to go back to basics and stop conceding goals. Torres is absolutely dreadful at that part of the game.

Its a conundrum though, as Torres is also integral to how Emery wants to play and also integral to our best league finish in nearly 39 years. As much as I love Mings and he is better at the basics of defending, he doesn’t possess the ability to beat the press that Torres gives us. We don’t score our first goal yesterday without Torres, we don’t score the goal against Bayern, there are loads of examples.
Could he try Mings and Torres together perhaps?
You can’t drop Torres for me and we have to instead be harder to break through in midfield. Lets see where we are once Kamara and Onana are back up and running.

[john e]

If you want big beefy centre half’s who can handle themselves Physically but have no real ball skills and certainly can’t play out from the back with any confidence then I’m afraid you’ve got the wrong manager Sean Dyche is your man

[Demitri_C]

It does suprise me that mings has got so very little game time in the league

[PaulWinch again]

At least Mings has got a bit of pace to get himself back in to position, unlike Torres. We need to go back to basics and stop conceding goals. Torres is absolutely dreadful at that part of the game.

The real basics is getting a midfield that does anything. The issue you highlight a lot of the time is players running at pace through the midfield straight at our defence. Any centre half will struggle with that.

[eye digress]

Mings is better on the ball (though admittedly not Torres levels) than many give him credit for as well.

He broadly hits the passes he attempts.

But doesn't see half the passes Torres does.

Carlos is also a better passer than he is given credit for.

[VillaTim]

It does suprise me that mings has got so very little game time in the league

Imagine he's still not fully match fit . I suspect he may play Chelsea or maybe v Juve

[brontebilly]

If you want big beefy centre half’s who can handle themselves Physically but have no real ball skills and certainly can’t play out from the back with any confidence then I’m afraid you’ve got the wrong manager Sean Dyche is your man

Mings played brilliantly under Emery before. Sweeping behind Moreno, minding Konsa, holding a very high offside line. One on one defending he loved. Torres is a brilliant ball player but he's an average at best defender.

[Gareth]

We can whinge about the centre halves all we like but if we have every single team outfield player within 22 yards of the opposition goal facing the opposition goal when we take a corner & not one player had any focus on defending what happened has a fair chance of happening….that approach has to be more pragmatic

For me the reason is as much about the centre midfield not doing its defensive work properly and the amount of defensive changes we make game in game out…to play that line consistently you need the same personnel consistently.

[caster troy]

We used to leave Diaby back on corners and he was so quick he could mop up any loose balls. Who is doing that role now? I haven’t seen the goal.

[Beard82]

I think we should try:

konsa, mings, torres, digne.

I know that 2 left footed CBs isnt ideal - but Mings pace, organisation and strength is really missed - I think its worth a try.   

I also wonder, would torres be able to play as a sweeper or defensive midfiedler

[eye digress]

I also wonder, would torres be able to play as a sweeper or defensive midfiedler

Torres is the footballing equivalent of a quarterback - you wouldn’t want him being tackled too often.