Bruges v Aston Villa PMT.

[Border villan]

Several player have had a real going over tonight yet Bailey has escaped relatively easily. When was his last reasonable/good game?

[London Villan]

Arsenal away?

[PaulWinch again]

Several player have had a real going over tonight yet Bailey has escaped relatively easily. When was his last reasonable/good game?

But this is the point. You could ask any one of us and we could point to several players out of form. It’s not just one, which suggests to me it’s more around the system, game plan or something.

[Ads]

Awful against an utterly woeful opponent too.

[Villafirst]

For once, the upcoming international break might be a good thing. Perhaps a chance to reset?

we said that 3 weeks ago at the last international break

We beat Fulham 3-1 and Bologna 2-0 after the last international break? It hasn't been the same since that late goal conceded against Bournemouth- although we played well and should've won that game.

[Chip Butty 111]

That was truly awful, only matched by the performance of the referee who on top of the bizarre penalty decision made countless poor calls.
Maatsen seems to be getting the better ratings but I thought he was truly abject and I actually thought Bailey was a little better than he has been, certainly didn’t give it away as much. Kamara was just about the best player but tired badly. Everyone's was shocking, particularly Watkins, Maatsen and Rogers

What bizarre decision was that exactly? Clear handball and just lucky not to be sent off.
As regards Bailey, most players would be able to play a 5 yard backwards pass.

It really wasn’t, it was a poor pass/lay off from Martinez to give to Mings to restart the goal kick that meant Mings had to reach for it. Yes, you could argue he was silly reaching for it with his hands as it gave the ref the opportunity to make a blunder. You see players pass/give the ball to their team mates before free kicks and then the taker pick it up and replace the ball numerous times per match - this is no different so, in my opinion, was never a penalty. As for sending off, what goal scoring chance did Mings prevent?
I never said Bailey was good, just that he looked more composed on the ball today and didn’t give it away as much. Maybe it’s splitting hairs a little as it’s not like he was good or anything.

When you are on a booking, a deliberate hand ball would normally mean a second yellow, and off. It was the only bit of luck we had all night

[tomd2103]

That was truly awful, only matched by the performance of the referee who on top of the bizarre penalty decision made countless poor calls.
Maatsen seems to be getting the better ratings but I thought he was truly abject and I actually thought Bailey was a little better than he has been, certainly didn’t give it away as much. Kamara was just about the best player but tired badly. Everyone's was shocking, particularly Watkins, Maatsen and Rogers

It was a stonewall oenalty. Mings picked up the ball when clearly in play

It really wasn’t. I get why it was given obviously but how else was Martinez meant to give Mings the ball to take the goal kick, head it to him? You see players pass the ball to their team mate to take a free kick and that player then pick it up up place it where they want the free kick to be taken numerous times per match. This is no different.

Martinez places the ball on the 6 yd line and passes to Mings, the ball is in play as soon as it left his boot. It was taken in the correct position , no need for a retake. It was an unthinkable mistake that got punished.

I agree that it was a penalty, but this wasn't given earlier in the year in the same competition.

No qualms with either being given as penalties as they are almost exactly the same, but one was and one wasn't in the same competition.  The ref was waiting all night for his big moment and got it then. 

No real grumbles about the result overall.  We were poor throughout and kept on giving the ball away needlessly, so never got any real momentum going.

[Percy McCarthy]

Carlos is a clown, Konsa at RB  🤬.

Your desperation for us not to play by far our most efficient defence is bordering on obsession.

Does it stretch to wanting Olsen in goal?

[VillaTim]

For once, the upcoming international break might be a good thing. Perhaps a chance to reset?

we said that 3 weeks ago at the last international break

We beat Fulham 3-1 and Bologna 2-0 after the last international break? It hasn't been the same since that late goal conceded against Bournemouth- although we played well and should've won that game.

Poor v ManUre, Poor v Ipswich

[Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air]

Don't know if it has been mentioned but Gabriel did exactly the same as Mings in the Bayern v Arsenal QF last season. No penalty was given.

https://www.90min.com/mikel-arteta-why-gabriel-handball-did-not-lead-bayern-munich-penalty

[waynejames]

Bottom line is Bruges wanted it tonight like crazy....they were 1st to everything and ran something like 4k more than us when the stats came up on the telly.
We looked like a side that thought they could just turn up and win.

[Demitri_C]

Id put this down as bas as thw warsaw defeat.  Really poor and now puts us under pressure to beat juventus

[Percy McCarthy]

Id put this down as bas as thw warsaw defeat.  Really poor and now puts us under pressure to beat juventus

It was worse.

[Villatillidie25]

That was truly awful, only matched by the performance of the referee who on top of the bizarre penalty decision made countless poor calls.
Maatsen seems to be getting the better ratings but I thought he was truly abject and I actually thought Bailey was a little better than he has been, certainly didn’t give it away as much. Kamara was just about the best player but tired badly. Everyone's was shocking, particularly Watkins, Maatsen and Rogers

What bizarre decision was that exactly? Clear handball and just lucky not to be sent off.
As regards Bailey, most players would be able to play a 5 yard backwards pass.

It really wasn’t, it was a poor pass/lay off from Martinez to give to Mings to restart the goal kick that meant Mings had to reach for it. Yes, you could argue he was silly reaching for it with his hands as it gave the ref the opportunity to make a blunder. You see players pass/give the ball to their team mates before free kicks and then the taker pick it up and replace the ball numerous times per match - this is no different so, in my opinion, was never a penalty. As for sending off, what goal scoring chance did Mings prevent?
I never said Bailey was good, just that he looked more composed on the ball today and didn’t give it away as much. Maybe it’s splitting hairs a little as it’s not like he was good or anything.

When you are on a booking, a deliberate hand ball would normally mean a second yellow, and off. It was the only bit of luck we had all night

Ah yes, I’d forgotten he was on a booking already. My bad but probably further proof the ref was incompetent as once it’s given it’s about as blatant a yellow as you can get.

[brontebilly]

Carlos is a clown, Konsa at RB  🤬.

Your desperation for us not to play by far our most efficient defence is bordering on obsession.

Does it stretch to wanting Olsen in goal?

Efficient? Carlos is an imbecile