Enzo Barrenechea - on loan at Benfica

[Monty]

I'm a bit happier with Enzo Barracuda than with Weston, McKennie & Co., as it seems like Juve didn't actually want to include him in the deal and might have been forced into it a bit.

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I disagree.

Which is why I have made several posts explaining why.

Im not repeating myself again, especially when again, it is in the post you quoted.

I am aware of what you posted, hence why I've disagreed. I just don't find much strength to your argument. Doug wants to go, I wish he didn't, but I'm sure a Baena type coming in as a result of the money made from deals like this will increase the quality. Then we have the squad stronger by virtue of Iling and Enzo etc. Yes they're prospects, Juve ones who've played Seria A and Champions Legaue in the case of the former. You're crying on about Kellyman whose barely kicked a ball in the 2 years he's been here.

[pablo_picasso]

Then either stop asking me to repeat myself or asking me questions that I have already answered.

We disagree. Thats fine. I can respect that fact.

Let's leave it at that.

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I'm not asking you to repeat yourself. I'm asking why you think we're being short changed. Repeating what you've said wouldn't help that explanation much. I've asked you to expand, your prerogative whether you want to or not.

Are you always this sensitive?

[Drummond]

I think this guy could be good enough to usurp, or complement Kamara, depending on the match and situation. And that's the point about what we're doing.

Every club, every single one, loses players that they'd rather not lose. It's how you replace them that matters. I think that picking up younger, talented, players who aren't at their peak yet is the way to go, because in the longer run we will be better on the pitch and/or more profitable.

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I'm sure Pep wanted to keep Cole Palmer, who is an excellent player. But he wanted to go, as does Doug. They won the league still. It's just football the way it always has been.

Will reserve judgment with Enzo B, but the limited information suggests a better fit than McKennie to cover a yawning great hole in the squad with Kamara out.

[pablo_picasso]

I'm not asking you to repeat yourself. I'm asking why you think we're being short changed. Repeating what you've said wouldn't help that explanation much. I've asked you to expand, your prerogative whether you want to or not.

Are you always this sensitive?

Don't be silly. 

Mate, I cant explain it any simpler than I did in the first post you quoted.

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I've not suggested its complex. Getting £60-70m for Luiz, who wants away, plus strengthening the squad seems good business to me. Iling seems a year ahead of Enzo B in development.

[pablo_picasso]

And it's really not meant to be. Im not trying to be a dick, Im just not sure how else to say it.

Maybe the best way I can explain my position is I think Douglas Luiz is worth more than £25M, Iling-Junior & Barrenechea. From a player for player standpoint.

I mentioned the squad depth improvement elsewhere, but it was a few days ago & lost to the forum, so I do recognise that. Along with the PSR reasons & Luiz wanting to leave. Etc.

I just think we could have demanded more for him because we are getting all the risk with potential & Juventus are getting a ready made world class footballer absolutely made for the Italian game.

It's nothing more complicated than that.

If you disagree, then fine. Like I said, I respect that fact.

I do really rate Iling-Juniors potential though & I am very excited about him potentially coming. Im calmer about Barrenechea after watching vids of his play & views of others who have scouted him.

We "might" get the better out of the deal in the long run, but I believe someone on this forum recently criticised the concepts of "Think", "might", "maybe" about young players, because they wouldn't help us much in the here & now. 😉

I suppose the squad depth quality improvement will all depend on who we get in to replace Luiz.

I think you mentioned Baena? I mentioned Guendouzi.

Your suggestion is more attacking, but I think I would prefer Guendouzi for his all round game.

But obviously, we have to wait & see what happens with that.

[pauliewalnuts]

I think, with Dougie having been here five years and clearly wanting the move, it would be churlish of us to push for another 5m or something.

Best of luck to him.

I’d rather take 10m less than market and see him go abroad than I would watch turn out at the Tarquinbowl and have to listen to pundits saying what a great player Arteta has made him.

[pablo_picasso]

I think, with Dougie having been here five years and clearly wanting the move, it would be churlish of us to push for another 5m or something.

Best of luck to him.

I’d rather take 10m less than market and see him go abroad than I would watch turn out at the Tarquinbowl and have to listen to pundits saying what a great player Arteta has made him.

That is a fair point.

I hadn't thought about him not being at one of our rivals & competing against us.

I suppose the squad improvement situation will make itself clear when we actually make the transfer to replace Douglas Luiz...

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I 100% agree with you there Paulie. I think £60m is a good fee personally (which is what the value equates to give or take), but it's far better than he disappears off abroad. Strengthening Lego head would be nauseating, not that I think Arsenal need him.

[pauliewalnuts]

Also think there is going to be a clear deflation of prices this summer.

The English clubs drive the entire European market with immense spending and we saw in January how clubs were not just unwilling but unable to spend huge.

Having said that, Everton will probably go and spend 200m on Antony now.

[Dante Lavelli]

I 100% agree with you there Paulie. I think £60m is a good fee personally (which is what the value equates to give or take), but it's far better than he disappears off abroad. Strengthening Lego head would be nauseating, not that I think Arsenal need him.

I think him and Rice would be a formidable pairing.  Plus we avoid the media purring over what a great player Luiz had suddenly become.

[AV84]

I can understand people being apprehensive about certain deals when viewed individually but the long and short of it is that we're really going to have to wait until the window closes to be sure of what we've actually done and why.

Obviously that would make for a pretty dead forum, so we'll spend all summer arguing about who we should have kept and who we shouldn't have bought, and what not.