Aston Villa vs Spurs post match embarrassment

[Risso]

There's a massive difference between "gung ho" and a miserable five at the back that never, ever works.

[Drummond]

even the Spurs fans on my social media are saying why didnt they come at us, we just picked them off because of there negative set up
then you have people on here saying it was working, working my arse was it
absolute surrender thats what it was and we got exactly what we deserved

Exactly right, it was gutless and brainless. When was the last time that 5 at the back actually worked? Does Emery not remember Spurs away, Liverpool, Forest and Brentford (the latter losing until he changed it)?

Spot on, mate.

We were abysmal, tactically and physically.

We should always have a go at home. We didn't yesterday, and I've no idea why.

Why should we always have a go at home?

I think you know why.

Probably because we're usually better there, because when we do, it's largely successful, because we're further up the league than 16 other teams.

Why shouldn't we, may I ask?

It's all tactical stuff isn't it? Emery isn't usually one to go for it, and against Spurs, who are brilliant on the break, you can absolutely get caught cold. That happened after the errors second half of course. We went for it then, and were done.

It was a shit day, for lots of reasons, but tactically Emery wasn't doing badly I didn't think.

[WarszaVillan]

Why should we always have a go at home?

Is that a serious question? Why wouldn't we try to beat a team lower than us in the table, especially over our nearest rivals where a victory would more or less cement our top 4 and Champions League place?

This was our Stoke moment, and we've blown it. Or rather, Emery blew it.

What have we blown exactly? We're in 4th place in the league. Admittedly winning it is a bit of s stretch given the form of the teams above us in the table, but we're firmly on course to improve on last season and 8 points ahead of the team in 6th.

Of course we'd try to beat anyone at home, but there are ways of doing it. I'd have though by now you'd have got used to the fact that Emery isn't a gung-ho manager and that cagey games happen. It didn't work yesterday.

Exactly. We were marginally on top during the first half but didn't take advantage of the openings we made. They did in the second half. We really miss Kamara. Hopefully Ramsey will be back soon as McGinn is going to leave a big hole in the team. But this stuff that we bottled it is rubbish. It will be very tough with the injuries and lack of squad depth, but we are still fourth in March which is bloody good going.

[Risso]

Enjoy it then, because it isn't going to last much longer.

[AV82EC]

There's a massive difference between "gung ho" and a miserable five at the back that never, ever works.

It worked at Burnley <runs and hides>

[LeeB]

I've given it a day before posting bust just wanted to give two thoughts on yesterday's proceedings:

1) Fuck off, and

2) Bollocks.

[Mister E]

On the home support, the atmosphere at early kick offs is often somewhat flat. I used to say that this was due to alcohol deprivation.

The support was poor. Sorry to make the comparison but as I drove home I listened to the Redscouse vs Citeh game and heard a home crowd supporting and driving its team. We just went very quiet.
VP is not a fortress until the support becomes unconditional.

Liverpool's home support is not unconditionally great. Please don't build on the media myth.

sorry, but you are conflating the points I was making. I made the comment that the Liverpool support seemed to really lift their team yesterday. Secondly, I made the observation that unless we up the ante and offer more unconditional support, maybe the team won't respond as we would like it to. So, no building on media myths!

[john e]

Why should we always have a go at home?

Is that a serious question? Why wouldn't we try to beat a team lower than us in the table, especially over our nearest rivals where a victory would more or less cement our top 4 and Champions League place?

This was our Stoke moment, and we've blown it. Or rather, Emery blew it.

What have we blown exactly? We're in 4th place in the league. Admittedly winning it is a bit of s stretch given the form of the teams above us in the table, but we're firmly on course to improve on last season and 8 points ahead of the team in 6th.

Of course we'd try to beat anyone at home, but there are ways of doing it. I'd have though by now you'd have got used to the fact that Emery isn't a gung-ho manager and that cagey games happen. It didn't work yesterday.

Exactly. We were marginally on top during the first half but didn't take advantage of the openings we made. They did in the second half. We really miss Kamara. Hopefully Ramsey will be back soon as McGinn is going to leave a big hole in the team. But this stuff that we bottled it is rubbish. It will be very tough with the injuries and lack of squad depth, but we are still fourth in March which is bloody good going.

It was the very definition of a bottle job

It wouldn’t be any more of a bottle job if you had an actual bottle with job written on it

[Matt C]

A rare day under this manager where we did nothing - on the pitch or on the sidelines - well. Defeats happen but it’s the collateral damage from yesterday that’s the real concern.

Roll on Thursday and for a chance to get this out of the system.

[eamonn]

Not sure it's been mentioned but did anyone notice Torres marauder forward from open play at the start of the second half? I thought we had changed our formation and let him be our midfield maestro!

[AV82EC]

Yep it was glorious, and you thought here we go Pau has been given some licence with Lenglet/Konsa at the back and it was all for
Nought within about 5 minutes.

[john e]

Not sure it's been mentioned but did anyone notice Torres marauder forward from open play at the start of the second half? I thought we had changed our formation and let him be our midfield maestro!

Torres always moves forward with the ball
He’s the most progressive player we have in the team he’s fantastic

[Risso]

Not sure it's been mentioned but did anyone notice Torres marauder forward from open play at the start of the second half? I thought we had changed our formation and let him be our midfield maestro!

Torres always moves forward with the ball
He’s the most progressive player we have in the team he’s fantastic

I'd suggest sticking him in midfield for the next few games, but the rest of the defence can't be trusted not to misbehave without him.

[eamonn]

Not sure it's been mentioned but did anyone notice Torres marauder forward from open play at the start of the second half? I thought we had changed our formation and let him be our midfield maestro!

Torres always moves forward with the ball
He’s the most progressive player we have in the team he’s fantastic

I know but this was like deep into enemy territory.

[nick harper]

That was about the strongest team Spurs could play and in all honesty they are a very good side, particularly their full backs. The criticism of our shape is mostly due to our inability to make the most of the turnovers as we were often 3 v 3 with loads of space to run into given how high Spurs pushed up. It has been a major strength in the main, and on another day it might have been a masterclass by Emery, but that’s football.

Defensively though, we’ve got worse as the season has gone on, but then teams are pressing us better than they were in the first half of the season.