Aston Villa vs Spurs post match embarrassment

[Villan82]

I did say that if we went high press, we would win the match. However, if we went for our slow, slow and even slower style, we would get beaten. Unfortunately, it was Spurs that went for the high press.
I just can’t accept this thing about us being tired because we played on Thursday. We hardly broke a sweat v Ajax and, continued in the same vein today. Also, if we think we can’t handle playing in the conference league, how the hell are we going to cope if we go into the champions league. Teams will be much stronger than the conf league ones and, we really can’t afford to rotate players so much in the ECL.

It's not the 90s mins played in Europe so much as the time to travel there and back. Sitting on a bus, sitting on a plane, hanging around having to prepare for that game etc rather than being at home doing the usual prep for a big league game.

Lots of teams struggle with it and it is new to us this year

[Demitri_C]

Im sorry but even you go down to 10 you dont give up and fall apart like that. Totally unacceptable in my eyes. Lose with pride, not like losers. Esp against your closest rivals.  GD could be vital at end of season.

Just dont understand how you just fall apart like that.

Up to injury time I thought our players did well to keep it at 0-2. Zaniolo missing a couple of chances too but Spurs didn't look that bothered either.

If it stayed at 2-0 or even 3 i think fans wouldnt be as furious as they were. You dont throw the towel like that. 4-0 ? 4-0? Awful. Didnt we lose by this scoreline seasons ago?

[ez]

Im sorry but even you go down to 10 you dont give up and fall apart like that. Totally unacceptable in my eyes. Lose with pride, not like losers. Esp against your closest rivals.  GD could be vital at end of season.

Just dont understand how you just fall apart like that.

We were set up to not concede and as we saw there was no plan B on standby just in case we did.

[Demitri_C]

Im sorry but even you go down to 10 you dont give up and fall apart like that. Totally unacceptable in my eyes. Lose with pride, not like losers. Esp against your closest rivals.  GD could be vital at end of season.

Just dont understand how you just fall apart like that.

We were set up to not concede and as we saw there was no plan B on standby just in case we did.

Yep i agree with that. Its a bit concerning for me that when we go behind against the better sides that we cant get ourselves back in the game.

Manure as awful as they are came back 2 down at old trafford yet when it happens to us we cant seen to get ourselves back into it.

We let a 2 goal slip at luton and were fortunate to win that. The mentality is looking quite fragile. Something that needs addressing

[taylorsworkrate]

I did say that if we went high press, we would win the match. However, if we went for our slow, slow and even slower style, we would get beaten. Unfortunately, it was Spurs that went for the high press.
I just can’t accept this thing about us being tired because we played on Thursday. We hardly broke a sweat v Ajax and, continued in the same vein today. Also, if we think we can’t handle playing in the conference league, how the hell are we going to cope if we go into the champions league. Teams will be much stronger than the conf league ones and, we really can’t afford to rotate players so much in the ECL.

It's not the 90s mins played in Europe so much as the time to travel there and back. Sitting on a bus, sitting on a plane, hanging around having to prepare for that game etc rather than being at home doing the usual prep for a big league game.

Lots of teams struggle with it and it is new to us this year

Its a massive cop out

[SoccerHQ]

I don't think this is a false dawn.

In fact, I think next season could be quite unbelievable. We will have learned so much from being in Europe this season and sitting in the top for the majority of this season.

One of the thungs we've learned is that as soon as we got a couple of statement wins and were mentioned in the context of the title race, we shat the bed. From Sheff Utd at home onwards we haven't been quite right, and fortress Villa Park is now a childrens' bouncy castle.

Exactly this. As soon as I saw that there was a TNT documentary about Emery and his tactics in the week, I knew we'd lose. Every time the media pays us any attention it seems to get into the players' heads and we fuck it up. We don't have the mentality to be anything other than plucky outsiders.

I too am starting to think this.

We were cruising along, routinely winning, not getting much coverage, but then we beat Man City and Arsenal, every fucker, traditional media and youtube footballista gobshites, is talking us up even as title challengers, and what happens is exactly what you could have guessed would happen.

We were never going to challenge for the title even after that great period of beating Arsenal and Man. City back to back.

The title winners will likely be on 89-90 points with 2nd and 3rd probably above 85 points.

If people think Emery can really get this club in the 85-90 bracket while playing in europe for the first time in a generation they need to reset their expectations a tad.

If we reach 70 points which is still very possible then that is a very good season.

I think the issue more will be next season personally. Everyone has seen Newcastle drop off and I think the same will happen to us so interesting to see the perceptions if we're down in 7th/8th in 12 months time.

Still let's just get into CL and worry about that then.

[Clive W]

According to Percy in the DT, 35% of our goals conceded have come in the first 15 minutes of the second half.

[Somniloquism]

Might have missed it in all the breakdown on why we lost, but what was the commentators call on why we didn't get a pen on Bailey at the start? Did they think he "played" getting his standing foot caught?

[Clampy]

First half, not too bad. Second half, it just all fell apart. No-one played well, than Mcginn maybe.

Losing Mcginn for three games is worse than the defeat for me.

[VillaTim]

I did say that if we went high press, we would win the match. However, if we went for our slow, slow and even slower style, we would get beaten. Unfortunately, it was Spurs that went for the high press.
I just can’t accept this thing about us being tired because we played on Thursday. We hardly broke a sweat v Ajax and, continued in the same vein today. Also, if we think we can’t handle playing in the conference league, how the hell are we going to cope if we go into the champions league. Teams will be much stronger than the conf league ones and, we really can’t afford to rotate players so much in the ECL.

It's not the 90s mins played in Europe so much as the time to travel there and back. Sitting on a bus, sitting on a plane, hanging around having to prepare for that game etc rather than being at home doing the usual prep for a big league game.

Lots of teams struggle with it and it is new to us this year

Absolutely spot on. I knew this conference thing would catch up with them and have an adversarial impact on the main priority.

[Flamingo Lane]

It's not the 90s mins played in Europe so much as the time to travel there and back. Sitting on a bus, sitting on a plane, hanging around having to prepare for that game etc rather than being at home doing the usual prep for a big league game.

Lots of teams struggle with it and it is new to us this year

It's not as if they have to travel by public transport, sit around in airport lounges, or carry their own luggage, or leave their hotel to go look for something to eat. They probably don't even have the responsibility of remembering to take their own passports.

[ez]

Im sorry but even you go down to 10 you dont give up and fall apart like that. Totally unacceptable in my eyes. Lose with pride, not like losers. Esp against your closest rivals.  GD could be vital at end of season.

Just dont understand how you just fall apart like that.

We were set up to not concede and as we saw there was no plan B on standby just in case we did.

Yep i agree with that. Its a bit concerning for me that when we go behind against the better sides that we cant get ourselves back in the game.

Manure as awful as they are came back 2 down at old trafford yet when it happens to us we cant seen to get ourselves back into it.

We let a 2 goal slip at luton and were fortunate to win that. The mentality is looking quite fragile. Something that needs addressing

They step up the pace. There's no urgency with us. We carry on with the patient tippy tappy football,  to the oppositions delight.

[Mister E]

Spuds got it right today, and we didn't. It's probably the first time I can say that Emery got the set-up wrong, but - notwithstanding - Spuds were very good with their high press which totally screwed us! (as did McGinn's rashness), and that led to the first 2 goals.
It was totally annoying that we seemed to slow the game down and showed so little intensity. Cash and Bailey were awful and because of the set-up we rarely win the second ball.
Again, why bring on Z? - he was appalling, really.
 
Finally, we will not win marginal games when the home crowd is so passive. The atmosphere was terrible. We get what we deserve.

[ChicagoLion]

Emery set us up to counter attack, the problem was that Watkins was back to his first touch of a terrier chasing a balloon  and Bailey was staggeringly shit.

[Clark W Griswold]

First half, not too bad. Second half, it just all fell apart. No-one played well, than Mcginn maybe.

Losing Mcginn for three games is worse than the defeat for me.

Yeah agree with all of that regarding McGinn.