Standard of Refereeing

[Nunkin1965]

There should be complete transparency if the organisation is marking its own homework.
The audio for decisions like yesterdays should be available for all of us to hear.

[Brend'Watkins]

They will fall back on the correct outcome was achieved in this instance so there should be no argument. 4 minutes that it took for someone to decide it looked out. So at what point of looking at it for 4 minutes did he or they decide it was out when they couldn’t be 100% sure? Utterly pathetic.

[Clive W]

Didn’t they eventually release the audio of the VR cock-up in the Spurs v Liverpool game?

I think one of the clubs insisted on it being released

[Demitri_C]

Just wish unai  would call these decisions out more. We just seem to accept it and they continue to fuck us over like OT last season

If these  were going against klopp fergie or wenger you would never hear end of it

[ian c.]

I assume we'll be given the pictures that provided the VAR team with the evidence to determine the ball was "factually" out of play later today, but I'm not holding my breath. Even if it is out of play I think it's stretching it to say it was the same phase of play.

[Smithy]

I assume we'll be given the pictures that provided the VAR team with the evidence to determine the ball was "factually" out of play later today, but I'm not holding my breath. Even if it is out of play I think it's stretching it to say it was the same phase of play.

That's what I'm waiting for too.  Like many, I think it probably WAS out, but that's not enough.  This is a factual decision, and they say it was factually "out", so I want to see the evidence they based that one.  It sure as hell better be more than the footage we all saw, which cannot - to the millimetre - show it as definitively out.

Remember when Gary Neville showed everyone how this ball was in, despite the angle? I don't see how this incident isn't the same. 

If you're not looking at it from the top down, how can you be 100% certain that 100% of the ball has crossed 100% of the line? Again, I get how you can be pretty sure, but that is NOT what VAR is for in this instance - it has to be 100% sure.

[Goldenballs]

If it is clearly shown that it was factually out of play with an angle we haven't seen, even though it will be the longest VAR pull back ever, I can just about accept it.  Even though we know it wouldn't have happened to certain other teams.

[Goldenballs]

There's the Newcastle one, with a much better camera angle than ours, with nobody in the way, which stood because there was no conclusive proof that the ball had fully crossed the line.

I don't know how to post a picture but if you Google it you'll see it, if you can't recall.

[Mister E]

If it is clearly shown that it was factually out of play with an angle we haven't seen, even though it will be the longest VAR pull back ever, I can just about accept it.  Even though we know it wouldn't have happened to certain other teams.

Even if there were incontrovertible proof of the ball being out, there is still the question of when an attacking phase commences ...
The important bit is that the linesman (asst ref) on the Witton Lane side was in the other half of the pitch and would not have been able to see whether the ball was in or out, so it was always on the ref to call it; which he didn't. Being half a yard from the corner flag would suggest that Bailey keeping the ball in could not have been the start of an attacking phase...
... the example above, from the Barcode-Arse game of last season, shows how a ball can appear to be off but the camera cannot possibly capture the 'overhang' of the ball onto the line (a bit like when the corner ball sometimes looks outside the quadrant but isn't, according to the linesmen who check them).

[ian c.]

I think it's this one against Arsenal.

[Demitri_C]

I think it's this one against Arsenal.

Does anyone remember  was this one pulled back ir did it go straight to var?

[Somniloquism]

Even if there were incontrovertible proof of the ball being out, there is still the question of when an attacking phase commences ...

My question as well. Does an opposition player need to contact it? Well why was our goal disallowed last year when the offside/foul occurred, the defender won the ball but then failed to clear it and we attacked again and scored?

Does the ball have to go back away from the area. Well this one was at the corner flag in our half, how far enough away does it need to go? With our Wolves goal, there was a potential foul on Gomez which meant he didn't get back in time. Wolves didn't have the ball between that incident and our goal. At what point was that a different phase of play? Did they look at it or did they state it was too far back?

[The Edge]

I think we can now safely assume that VAR is happy to guess and give a subjective opinion of what they "think might of happened" Clearly that leaves the whole VAR system in an untenable position. This can't be allowed to continue. Brentford fans are currently laughing at it, understandable I guess but there's no bigger whingers than them and their turn will come.

[itbrvilla]

I assume we'll be given the pictures that provided the VAR team with the evidence to determine the ball was "factually" out of play later today, but I'm not holding my breath. Even if it is out of play I think it's stretching it to say it was the same phase of play.

That's what I'm waiting for too.  Like many, I think it probably WAS out, but that's not enough.  This is a factual decision, and they say it was factually "out", so I want to see the evidence they based that one.  It sure as hell better be more than the footage we all saw, which cannot - to the millimetre - show it as definitively out.

Remember when Gary Neville showed everyone how this ball was in, despite the angle? I don't see how this incident isn't the same. 

If you're not looking at it from the top down, how can you be 100% certain that 100% of the ball has crossed 100% of the line? Again, I get how you can be pretty sure, but that is NOT what VAR is for in this instance - it has to be 100% sure.

The colour and patterns on the ball make it even more difficult to distinguish with the naked eye.

[wince]

All this referee talk reminds me of the Inside number 9 episode 'The referees a......'