Standard of Refereeing

[lovejoy]

Did PGMOL ever comment on the Old Trafford fiasco last season. Some of the decisions mentioned today seem marginal in comparison.

[itbrvilla]

Did PGMOL ever comment on the Old Trafford fiasco last season. Some of the decisions mentioned today seem marginal in comparison.

Ref blew the whistle before ball hit the net unfortunately. nothing for them to look at.

[Somniloquism]

PGMOL are still responsible for the onfield officials as well as VAR and they have reprimanded refs making mistakes by calling an onfield decision early before VAR. They even have the contentious decisions panel and last season had the monthly review of mistakes with boring Owen or on Sky. However none of those ever made any comments after week 36 games.

A newspaper article (Times?) has something a few months ago stating PGMOL had apologised a few weeks later but nothing seems to have ever been made public about it like other times they have done similar during the season.

[aj2k77]

Did we ever receive an apology for the flying elbow (unpunished) that laid little Emi out against Burnley?

Because it was a ''flying'' elbow by the letter of the law flying wasn't a recognized action in which it's contact would cause any consequence. As the flying took place before the elbow the law had to first be applied to the flying part of the action and not the elbow. Since then the rules have been re-written to acknowledge both actions taking place at the same time and under current rules it would be a red card offence. As those were the rules at the time there was nothing VAR could do about it.

[LeeB]

Did PGMOL ever comment on the Old Trafford fiasco last season. Some of the decisions mentioned today seem marginal in comparison.

Ref blew the whistle before ball hit the net unfortunately. nothing for them to look at.

The one to look at there was why a totally inexperienced ref who'd been doing Championship games with no VAR was given one of only the few games that had anything still riding on it, and the experienced ref was at Stockley Park.

[paul_e]

Did PGMOL ever comment on the Old Trafford fiasco last season. Some of the decisions mentioned today seem marginal in comparison.

Ref blew the whistle before ball hit the net unfortunately. nothing for them to look at.

The one to look at there was why a totally inexperienced ref who'd been doing Championship games with no VAR was given one of only the few games that had anything still riding on it, and the experienced ref was at Stockley Park.

Which is exactly the complaint the club put in.

I do think we should've also pressed on whether the official ruling in those situations is to blow early or let the play go until the shot is complete and then review. By any logical assessment it should be the latter because you can still give the foul after the ball is in the net, even without a VAR review, but you can't award the goal if you blew early and got it wrong.

The reason that matters is because getting the decision wrong is fine for an inexperienced ref but if he did that whilst also not following the correct procedure then something has gone seriously wrong, and in doing so has cost us about 10% of our revenue.

[Stu]

Did PGMOL ever comment on the Old Trafford fiasco last season. Some of the decisions mentioned today seem marginal in comparison.

They wrote the club a letter of apology over disallowing Morgan’s goal. Apparently we had the most wrong decisions against in the league that season, and the season before I think.

[The Edge]

I don't know this is a thing or not but when they announce the match officials for upcoming games can clubs raise any concerns they may have about the choices? Surely the club would have pointed out his lack of experience with VAR if we had the opportunity. Thomas Bramwell was woefully lacking in experience for a match with such high stakes.

[lovejoy]

Given they are able to make a subjective call over whether the goalie could have got to a shot or not to ascertain if a player offside is interfering with play, I am open to removing the prioritisation of the whistle being blown and being able to rectify an obvious error.
It is clear the goal would have been scored regardless of the whistle so there should be the opportunity to rectify it real time. The apology after is no help.

[andyh]

Villa and spurs charged after the melee at the end of the FA cup game.
I doubt there will be any wording of the charge that includes the tackle on Kamara which went unpunished and set the tone for the game.

[Flamingo Lane]

Surely Villa's defence to the charge, or mitigation, will include the various assaults on our players during the game which drew no appropriate punishment.

And presumably we can look forward to Arsenal and Liverpool being handed similar charges, in respect of the scrap which broke out in their game last week, following Martinelli's assault on a player lying seriously injured on the ground.

[Somniloquism]

The FA have brought the charges because it was an FA game. It is up to the Premier League to charge Liverpool/Arsenal so don't expect that to happen.

[PeterWithesShin]

Happy 5th anniversary of this not being offside

[dcdavecollett]

I remember that birthday present from five years ago, courtesy of Jonathan Moss, hot contender for the title of anti-Villa referee for all time.

[Abbeyfealeavfc]

We only get bent refs!
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