Standard of Refereeing

[Legion]

Pretty poor all round for me.

[Exeter 77]

Someone like Dave Shelley will probably know more but it has always felt to me the refs that make it to the top levels are the ones that do what they are told and don't use any intelligence to interpret what they see.

[Footy-Vill]

I wonder if there is going to more of this from clubs :
Nottingham Forest appointed Mark Clattenburg as a referee analyst; the 48-year-old will be available for advice should Forest boss Nuno Espirito Santo want to consult him on specific issues.

What do people make of that? And if Villa had a refereeing analyst?

Are they trying to gain some sort of advantage. If a ref analyst is on their side, he may be friendly with officials pre-match, or conversely, the actual official for a match may make a point to get one over the analyst.

In this case they have an actual representative who knows the law of the game to plead their case.
Referees' analyst Mark Clattenburg to argue Nottingham Forest's case to PGMOL after being left shocked by Paul Tierney's decision to allow Darwin Nunez's late winner for Liverpool to stand

[dcdavecollett]

I see Tierney has been suspended from reffing this weekend. I assume this is down to the blunder he made over a single issue at the City Ground.

Meanwhile, Oliver is presumably free to resume his job after the serial shit-show that was his performance last Saturday evening.

[PaulWinch again]

Referee’s being “stood down” for a weekend due to a bad performance is just counterproductive.

[danno]

I see Tierney has been suspended from reffing this weekend. I assume this is down to the blunder he made over a single issue at the City Ground.

Meanwhile, Oliver is presumably free to resume his job after the serial shit-show that was his performance last Saturday evening.

Tierney literally didn’t apply the rules correctly. Oliver made subjective decisions we didn’t agree with. Big difference.

[Nev]

Referee’s being “stood down” for a weekend due to a bad performance is just counterproductive.

That's done to protect the officials and nothing else, having a week off doesn't improve their skill set but takes the heat out of a situation.

Another awful by product of VAR is the sudden expectation that things would improve when anyone could see it would only pile more pressure on Refs when subjective decisions come up. The ref made a mistake on Saturday but when St Jurgen is stood on the touchline, venerated at every turn, anyone would be nervous about making decisions wouldn't they? ****** like Klopp and Arteta, Wenger and Colin Wanker back in the day are bullies and get away with it all the time, with the full backing of the media amplifying their comments.

[danno]

Referee’s being “stood down” for a weekend due to a bad performance is just counterproductive.

That's done to protect the officials and nothing else, having a week off doesn't improve their skill set but takes the heat out of a situation.

Another awful by product of VAR is the sudden expectation that things would improve when anyone could see it would only pile more pressure on Refs when subjective decisions come up. The ref made a mistake on Saturday but when St Jurgen is stood on the touchline, venerated at every turn, anyone would be nervous about making decisions wouldn't they? ****** like Klopp and Arteta, Wenger and Colin Wanker back in the day are bullies and get away with it all the time, with the full backing of the media amplifying their comments.

And it was the same referee Klopp very publicly accused of “having a problem” with Liverpool last season.

On Klopp how he escaped punishment (or even widespread condemnation) for squaring up to the fourth official last year escapes me. Mourinho should have been banned for a period after confronting Anthony Taylor after the Europa league final too. Although H+V favourite Troy Deeney only got a four match ban for saying to a fourth official :

"If you weren't a referee, I would punch your f***ing head in."

[taylorsworkrate]

I think the standard of refereeing isn't close to being as good as it should be, but also think that there's an exaggeration as to how bad it is. It would be interesting to see a detailed statistical analysis of refereeing decisions to get the full picture.

[Clampy]

Referee’s being “stood down” for a weekend due to a bad performance is just counterproductive.

And he hasn't even been stood down completely, he's been put on VAR duty. It's just a waste of time.

[Risso]

Referee’s being “stood down” for a weekend due to a bad performance is just counterproductive.

And he hasn't even been stood down completely, he's been put on VAR duty. It's just a waste of time.

Yep. "You've made a calamitous decision that could affect both the title race and the relegation battle. Here, have a sit down and check what the other refs are doing at a VAR monitor."

[dave shelley]

Someone like Dave Shelley will probably know more but it has always felt to me the refs that make it to the top levels are the ones that do what they are told and don't use any intelligence to interpret what they see.

Once a referee makes it to the top, my opinion is that most of them are running scared and afraid to have the courage of their own convictions.  VAR has a lot to answer for in that respect which we see regularly.  Also, look at the ages of the referees today, they are a lot younger than they used to be which, is no bad thing.  Go back a bit and they were nearly always in their forties when they got to the top plus they were nearly all in employment of one sort of another, now it's a career.  I could go on forever about this but I've got to take the missus for an eye test which is somewhat appropriate seeing as how we're discussing referees.

[LeeB]

It's got worse since it became a 'career', they've got everything to lose if they upset the wrong people.

[Drummond]

There's so much scrutiny now, that you can tell the officials are relying on VAR to dig them out of a hole. The problem is that VAR are their mates and won't embarrass them.

[darren woolley]

It's been poor this season.