Everton vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[ROBBO]

We have to get to the point when we have sufficient cover so that  McGinn plays to his strength, every time he has to cover another position it takes away our most valuable assett.

[ChicagoLion]

Last 5 league games W2 L1 D2 8 points from 15

[Axl Rose]

It was a crap game, we weren't very good, but we got a point.

That'll do.

You have slept on it so it’s a rational thought😊

Haha, well...

Was up at 5:30 mate, and have just finished work. Knackered, but have a highball in hand and will have a nap on the train.

It's been a fantastic time with Emery at the helm, and I think a point away at Everton is a decent one.

I now fully expect us to beat Chelsea and Newcastle.

[nick harper]

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[Somniloquism]

I’m sure Bailey wasn’t offside when he rolled the ball back and there is no way on earth that Lenglet could possibly be interfering with Pickford’s view. He doesn’t impede his view and doesn’t make a movement towards the flight if the ball.

Well Bailey wasn't offside when he rolled the ball back, however he was offside when he received the (mis-)pass from McGinn. It was so clear, they didn't even need to draw the lines on Bailey to be sure. Why it too 5 minutes though shows again the mis-management of VAR where instead of looking at incidents in order of play, they spent a load of time looking at Lenglet interfering with the keepers view instead of each step of the play of the ball.

[AV82EC]

It’s a point and a clean sheet away against probably the most agricultural team in the league. Tarkowski should have gone for his potential leg breaker on Diaby let alone the kicking of Moreno into Row Z. Coote is the weakest of officials.

Scores on the doors:

Martinez - 8 two vital stops first half but was otherwise untroubled
Konsa - 6.5  looked more comfortable once he came inside
Carlos - 7 solid
Lenglet - 7.5 solid and progressive with the ball
Moreno - 7.5 best game since he came back as was a main outlet, there is more to come
Kamara - 7.5 really solid and controlled
Luiz - 6.5 a little bit off it today though seemed to improve as the game went on
Bailey - 6 one chance aside it was back to previous levels away from home
McGinn - 6.5 thought he started the game poorly with sloppy touches and giving the ball away but improved
Diaby - 6 we just can’t seem to get him loose with the ball and when we do he’s out of form. Should have down for the clip in the box
Watkins - 6.5 worked hard against the most physical central defenders but literally minimal service from Diaby/Bailey

Tielemans - 7 nice little came
Dhuran - 7 one of his better cameos and could have nicked that one at the end
Cash - 7 gave us a threat the other side and thought he did well.

All in all slightly unlucky not to win it after pretty much controlling the whole game.

Onwards.

[LeeB]

That fucking ref, I'm still seething. I called it before the game on the match thread, it's a fucking joke.

My good mate started reffing last season and he's really good, went and watched him a few times, he's a big lad and a good character and he's played loads himself, you can see the players respect and respond to him. We were talking recently and he was saying to go up to the next level is where he'll start to be assessed, and he said speaking to other ref's it's at that point most of them don't bother, because you come off the pitch thinking you've reffed well without problems then they pull you up on technicalitites.

This is why we end up with the refs we do.

David Coote started refereeing at 16 at it fucking shows.

[LeeS]

I’m sure Bailey wasn’t offside when he rolled the ball back and there is no way on earth that Lenglet could possibly be interfering with Pickford’s view. He doesn’t impede his view and doesn’t make a movement towards the flight if the ball.

Apparently, they weren't looking at Lenglet interfering. They were working out whether the initial offiside was still part of the same phase of play. If it hadn't been, then they would have either given the goal or looked at the interfering. The offside was blatant and that is why it was disallowed. That was the explanation from VAR.

Well Bailey wasn't offside when he rolled the ball back, however he was offside when he received the (mis-)pass from McGinn. It was so clear, they didn't even need to draw the lines on Bailey to be sure. Why it too 5 minutes though shows again the mis-management of VAR where instead of looking at incidents in order of play, they spent a load of time looking at Lenglet interfering with the keepers view instead of each step of the play of the ball.

[Brend'Watkins]

When did a tackle from behind cease to be a bookable offence? Tarkowski did one on Watkins yesterday 2nd half, a foul was given but no booking. He should have been off then too.

[Somniloquism]

I’m sure Bailey wasn’t offside when he rolled the ball back and there is no way on earth that Lenglet could possibly be interfering with Pickford’s view. He doesn’t impede his view and doesn’t make a movement towards the flight if the ball.

Well Bailey wasn't offside when he rolled the ball back, however he was offside when he received the (mis-)pass from McGinn. It was so clear, they didn't even need to draw the lines on Bailey to be sure. Why it too 5 minutes though shows again the mis-management of VAR where instead of looking at incidents in order of play, they spent a load of time looking at Lenglet interfering with the keepers view instead of each step of the play of the ball.

Apparently, they weren't looking at Lenglet interfering. They were working out whether the initial offside was still part of the same phase of play. If it hadn't been, then they would have either given the goal or looked at the interfering. The offside was blatant and that is why it was disallowed. That was the explanation from VAR.

So the pass to Bailey who plays to Moreno who scores might not be the same phase of play and needed 4 minutes to decide that, but the Ramsey foul on the keeper which has Sheffield Utd defenders clear the ball twice before we score is the same phase of play?

[London Villan]

It's a proper mess and they are tying themselves up in circles each week with the inconsistencies.

[Nev]

It's a proper mess and they are tying themselves up in circles each week with the inconsistencies.

I didn't move when we scored, Bailey did look off on first glance. It's now part of the game, sitting still, no celebration, just waiting for a forensic analysis of what you have just seen. And they call it progress. Utterly depressing.

[Smithy]

It was a pretty dire game, in reality. We dominated the ball, as we tend to do these days, but we didn't create lots of clear cut chances. On balance, we deserved to win the game, but a point away from home is never a terrible result.  Everton are 8th in the form table for the last 10 games, so it wasn't a forgone conclusion we'd win (though I thought we would).

I like that we're tidy and technically very good at knocking it around, but it does seem to break down so often in the final third.  I'm not blaming Ollie specifically, but we really do need to find a way to more clinical in the final third.  If we could be as good in the final third as we currently are in the defensive and middle thirds, we'd truly be a sight to behold.

Given the other results this weekend, a draw hasn't hurt us too much, but we must win at home to Newcastle, not only to avenge the opening day, but also to put them firmly in our rear view mirror for the rest of the season.  Beat them, and that's their top 4 aspirations done for the season (they probably are now, but if they win at our place it would give them hope).

[Smithy]

It's a proper mess and they are tying themselves up in circles each week with the inconsistencies.

I didn't move when we scored, Bailey did look off on first glance. It's now part of the game, sitting still, no celebration, just waiting for a forensic analysis of what you have just seen. And they call it progress. Utterly depressing.

I hate it, but the flip side is seeing a goal scored against you chalked off.  It's a celebration we never used to get.  I missed the first half as I was taking my daughter to a birthday party, so I got the BBC goal alert, and then the VAR correction seemed like an ETERNITY afterwards, so I assumed the game had gone on.  It's a sickener.   They're going to have to do something, as the celebration of a goal is THE thing supporters want to do - anything that tempers the reaction to a goal in the moment should be considered detrimental to the game.

I like the idea of giving it a time limit. 30 seconds, 45 seconds, whatever.  Just limit it. If they can't prove something one or the other in 45 seconds, the on field decision stands.

We were already top of the table in the "if VAR didn't exist" table, and this result will just put us further ahead.  No trophy at the end of the season though, unfortunately.

[PeterWithe]

It's a proper mess and they are tying themselves up in circles each week with the inconsistencies.

I didn't move when we scored, Bailey did look off on first glance. It's now part of the game, sitting still, no celebration, just waiting for a forensic analysis of what you have just seen. And they call it progress. Utterly depressing.

Same here, first reaction is 'nah, thats not standing'.

Its ruining the game for spectators, and thats what will drive change.