Champions League Contention

[Hookeysmith]

It’s to offset or appease those intent on a possible Super League. Money is king. It always has been.

The fact we are currently above 3 of the 6 teams who declared themselves in the new Super League with drawbridge firmly pulled up just shows what a disgusting attempt it was to hijack our game forever.  Despicable bastards.

Very well said - funny how the mainstream media suddenly have forgotten their trecherous actions.

As for out 4th sport - i genuinely think we can catch Arsenal - they are reknown bottlers and we have to play them

[paul_e]

It’s to offset or appease those intent on a possible Super League. Money is king. It always has been.

The fact we are currently above 3 of the 6 teams who declared themselves in the new Super League with drawbridge firmly pulled up just shows what a disgusting attempt it was to hijack our game forever.  Despicable bastards.

Very well said - funny how the mainstream media suddenly have forgotten their trecherous actions.

As for out 4th sport - i genuinely think we can catch Arsenal - they are reknown bottlers and we have to play them

Arsenal are in a funny place right now, they've been in excellent form with 25 goals in their last 6 league games but they also bottled it completely agianst Porto and you wouldn't trust them not to fall apart again if they get a hint of catching the top 2.

[Brazilian Villain]

Call me stupid, but I don't understand the format or the point...

Everyone plays 8 games instead of 6. The point is money.

And hopefully we'll be benefitting. The current format has become a bit stale (I rarely watch the group stages unless Yanited are losing again) so I'm happy to see how this pans out. I also welcome the fact that CL teams won't be dropping into the Europa League.

[Dave]

Genuine question - is Champions League football all that really.  Yes, there is significant additional revenue, but does it really make a major impact if you are only in it for one season as opposed to being in it for every season over an extended period of time?

Of course it would be great to be in it and testing ourselves against that quality of opposition, but look at Newcastle this season - finished bottom of the group and out of Europe altogether.  Hopefully, we can of course become a regular fixture in it, but I just wonder how much of an impact one season will actually have?

Assuming we have ambitions to be finishing higher than 6th-8th more frequently than just this season, it's also a by-product of domestic success.

Even if someone couldn't care less about playing in the Champions League, it's pretty unavoidable if you are one of the best four or five teams. Which I assume is something that we would all be keen for us to be.

[Somniloquism]

Call me stupid, but I don't understand the format or the point...

More chance of the bigger teams playing each other and still getting through to the next rounds.

City could be drawn against: Barca, Bayern, Inter Milan, Porto, Lazio, PSV, Celtic and Real Sociedad (might even be other English teams as well as not sure if they geo-fence the draw). They play four of those teams  at home and the other four teams away.

Then whoever is in the top 8 of the league go through and I suspect team 9 plays a knockout round against team 24 etc. (or they draw them randomly). The winners of those matches also go through, losers go down to Europa still. Anyone below team 25 are out altogether.

So as I mentioned, the setup is more to ensure teams like Arse and Manure have more of chance of progressing then being knocked out early as you suspect they might have enough to finish in the top 24 over 8 matches.

[Somniloquism]

Genuine question - is Champions League football all that really.  Yes, there is significant additional revenue, but does it really make a major impact if you are only in it for one season as opposed to being in it for every season over an extended period of time?

Of course it would be great to be in it and testing ourselves against that quality of opposition, but look at Newcastle this season - finished bottom of the group and out of Europe altogether.  Hopefully, we can of course become a regular fixture in it, but I just wonder how much of an impact one season will actually have?

Just to show the significant additional revenue. Newcastle got £13.5 mil just for qualifying. They then got £800k per draw (2 of them) and £2.3 for their one win which comes about £17mil for their capitulation in the competition. In comparison, our current pay-out is half that and we only get close to that figure winning it.

So even if in it for one season, that can help us land other players because of the boost to the accounts and less worry on FFP.

[curiousorange]

I couldn't care less about the football itself, it's the money and the selling point to a new level of player which makes it a vital step for us.

[TelfordVilla]

Is it any wonder the media have no faith in Villa.some of our own fans think we will struggle to finish 4th and even if we do they think we are a one season wonder, likely to struggle to finish top 8 next season and likely to only be in the champions league for one year. Christ on a bike. Since Unai arrived Villa have comfortably been a top 4 side. The stats speak for themselves.Villa will likely be top 4 this season and next season and every season for at least as long as we have the current managerial set up. That likely means champions league every year too.

[Smirker]

Only 17m for making the CL? I thought it'd be way more than that.

[Dogtanian]

Only 17m for making the CL? I thought it'd be way more than that.

They've earned EUR 25m in prize money from UEFA this season;

https://www.football-coefficient.eu/team/248-newcastle-united/

[tomd2103]

Is it any wonder the media have no faith in Villa.some of our own fans think we will struggle to finish 4th and even if we do they think we are a one season wonder, likely to struggle to finish top 8 next season and likely to only be in the champions league for one year. Christ on a bike. Since Unai arrived Villa have comfortably been a top 4 side. The stats speak for themselves.Villa will likely be top 4 this season and next season and every season for at least as long as we have the current managerial set up. That likely means champions league every year too.

I don't think that is a guarantee by any means to be totally honest.  Not so much to do with us, but others who we could br competing with who seemingly aren't impacted too much from FFP strengthening really.  That said, the landscape could change dramatically when Klopp leaves Liverpool and if Manchester City do get punished anything like proportionately. 

Don't get me wrong, I would love to see us in the Champions League (even though I dislike a lot of things about that competition) and next year would be especially fitting given it's the club's 150th anniversary but was just questioning if it is going to be a 'game changer' given that it dirsnt really seem to have been for Newcastle.

[Somniloquism]

I was only going on the prize money.
Prize money (Euros)


The estimation is £34mil Euros.

[Dave]

Only 17m for making the CL? I thought it'd be way more than that.

I think part of the myth around the Champions League money is that the last time we needed to care about it, it was in the context of "how do we make the step up to Liverpool / Arsenal when they're making an extra £30m per season from the Champions League? That means they get to go and spend £15m on Andrei Arshavin while we can only spend £3m on Emile Heskey"

These days the Premier League money dwarves anything that the Champions League brings in. So while having the extra cash is good (particularly in a marketing / FFP sense), the money itself is pretty incidental compares to what you make from the Premier League these days.

[Somniloquism]

Although it sounds like we are struggling even with that PL money. That chart shows Citeh have almost 100 mill euros extra coming in for playing the same amount of games we have played in Europe. Finishing fourth in the prem will get us an estimated £63million which is only 10 mill more then finishing 7th. But we could earn £30 mill for just saying hello to the Champions league instead of £17 mil for winning the conference.

[pablo_picasso]

Call me stupid, but I don't understand the format or the point...

Everyone plays 8 games instead of 6. The point is money.

And hopefully we'll be benefitting. The current format has become a bit stale (I rarely watch the group stages unless Yanited are losing again) so I'm happy to see how this pans out. I also welcome the fact that CL teams won't be dropping into the Europa League.

This. Absolutely this.

Rewarding Champs League failures with a Europa League spot absolutely undermined & lowered the value of the Ropey League.

I fucking hated this feature with a passion I would normally only reserve for Jennifer Connelly...