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Online PaulWinch again

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Re: Champions League Contention
« Reply #630 on: February 09, 2024, 02:58:34 PM »
I see that one-eyed shite Carragher is predicting we've already peaked under Emery & the only way from here is down. The best Managers & players will always move to teams more deserving of them. So the natural order of the top 5 will be restored. I hope Liverpool implode after Klopp has gone.
Mans an entitled dick head.  I find it shocking that how ill informed pundits are about the history of the game they play and what other clubs are doing. 
 

What did he write that was ill-informed, and is there anything in his article that marks him as an entitled dickhead?

Indeed. It's not completely impossible that he's correct and that the calendar years 2023 / 2024 are the high-point of the Emery era. Hopefully they're not, but it's not exactly heresy for someone to think that they might be.

Quite - what we need to hope is that we can get consistency at in and around that level. But we could win a cup and the overall level of performance might not get back to what it was in 2023.

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Re: Champions League Contention
« Reply #631 on: February 09, 2024, 03:04:43 PM »
I've stopped reading these opinion pieces - better for the blood pressure! 


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Re: Champions League Contention
« Reply #632 on: February 09, 2024, 03:08:01 PM »
It is now about how squads cope with injuries, we have proved our best X1 + is a match for most teams but once we lose a couple of Key players it weakens us significantly. We go from top to mid table -

What's mid-table? We're 8 points above 6th. 11 above 8th and 14 above 10th.

I know we're not exactly in the form of our lives, but we've lost three in the league since Thumping Brighton 6-1 on 30th September. That's despite all the injuries we've had and the fact that we've 'been found out'.

The priority is clearly the league, and whenever we've lost, we've bounced back.

Last 12 W7 D3 L2
Last 6   W2 D2 L2

It's not all doom and gloom, though we could do with a few wins over the next few games just to settle nerves, but don't give up on us yet.

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Re: Champions League Contention
« Reply #633 on: February 09, 2024, 03:25:00 PM »
I see that one-eyed shite Carragher is predicting we've already peaked under Emery & the only way from here is down. The best Managers & players will always move to teams more deserving of them. So the natural order of the top 5 will be restored. I hope Liverpool implode after Klopp has gone.

Not sure why people are getting wound up about that article.  He makes the entirely reasonable and accurate point that teams that have a good season or unexpected champions league finish rarely or never keep doing it consistently, because the top teams are so dominant and you need several of them to keep on having off years.

I don't think it makes you a one eyed shite to think that Villa probably won't achieve something that literally no team has ever done in the current era of football.

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Re: Champions League Contention
« Reply #634 on: February 09, 2024, 03:35:39 PM »
I don't think it makes you a one eyed shite to think that Villa probably won't achieve something that literally no team has ever done in the current era of football.

Not sure that's true either. Spurs went from being a mid-table side, to regularly finishing in the top eight, top finishing in the top four, to regularly finishing in the top four and then a (very) short period of not winning the title being seen as failure.

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Re: Champions League Contention
« Reply #635 on: February 09, 2024, 03:43:51 PM »
I don't think it makes you a one eyed shite to think that Villa probably won't achieve something that literally no team has ever done in the current era of football.

Not sure that's true either. Spurs went from being a mid-table side, to regularly finishing in the top eight, top finishing in the top four, to regularly finishing in the top four and then a (very) short period of not winning the title being seen as failure.

It depends what period you're looking at I suppose. In the last 20 years they've finished lower than top 10 once, and most of the time were top 6. Before that for most of the 90s they were mid-table, but then in the 80s they had several top 4 finishes.

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Re: Champions League Contention
« Reply #636 on: February 09, 2024, 04:03:29 PM »
I see that one-eyed shite Carragher is predicting we've already peaked under Emery & the only way from here is down. The best Managers & players will always move to teams more deserving of them. So the natural order of the top 5 will be restored. I hope Liverpool implode after Klopp has gone.

Not sure why people are getting wound up about that article.  He makes the entirely reasonable and accurate point that teams that have a good season or unexpected champions league finish rarely or never keep doing it consistently, because the top teams are so dominant and you need several of them to keep on having off years.

I don't think it makes you a one eyed shite to think that Villa probably won't achieve something that literally no team has ever done in the current era of football.
I agree.  If anything it highlights what a closed shop is.

BUT, I think we could prove him wrong with our owners and manager.  The starting point will be the 50k seater in two years time...

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Re: Champions League Contention
« Reply #637 on: February 09, 2024, 04:13:15 PM »
It is now about how squads cope with injuries, we have proved our best X1 + is a match for most teams but once we lose a couple of Key players it weakens us significantly. We go from top to mid table -

What's mid-table? We're 8 points above 6th. 11 above 8th and 14 above 10th.

I know we're not exactly in the form of our lives, but we've lost three in the league since Thumping Brighton 6-1 on 30th September. That's despite all the injuries we've had and the fact that we've 'been found out'.

The priority is clearly the league, and whenever we've lost, we've bounced back.

Last 12 W7 D3 L2
Last 6   W2 D2 L2

It's not all doom and gloom, though we could do with a few wins over the next few games just to settle nerves, but don't give up on us yet.
We play like a mid table team without our best players, with them we play like a Top 4 team.

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Re: Champions League Contention
« Reply #638 on: February 09, 2024, 04:20:56 PM »
Beat Man U, then we can go into easier fixtures against Fulham, Forest and Luton full of confidence. With Spurs after that at home, a win you'd think would almost guarantee us top 4 or 5.

Lose, or even worse, take a battering, and I think we'll go into free fall. We've seen it all too often, and we still have several players left who have "been there, bought the T-shirt".

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Re: Champions League Contention
« Reply #639 on: February 09, 2024, 04:22:08 PM »
Beat Man U, then we can go into easier fixtures against Fulham, Forest and Luton full of confidence. With Spurs after that at home, a win you'd think would almost guarantee us top 4 or 5.

Lose, or even worse, take a battering, and I think we'll go into free fall. We've seen it all too often, and we still have several players left who have "been there, bought the T-shirt".

Do Emery teams ever go into free-fall?

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Re: Champions League Contention
« Reply #640 on: February 09, 2024, 04:23:29 PM »
Beat Man U, then we can go into easier fixtures against Fulham, Forest and Luton full of confidence. With Spurs after that at home, a win you'd think would almost guarantee us top 4 or 5.

Lose, or even worse, take a battering, and I think we'll go into free fall. We've seen it all too often, and we still have several players left who have "been there, bought the T-shirt".
I think Sunday is pivotal, I would take draw right now and live to fight another day.

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Re: Champions League Contention
« Reply #641 on: February 09, 2024, 04:31:48 PM »
I don't think it makes you a one eyed shite to think that Villa probably won't achieve something that literally no team has ever done in the current era of football.

Not sure that's true either. Spurs went from being a mid-table side, to regularly finishing in the top eight, top finishing in the top four, to regularly finishing in the top four and then a (very) short period of not winning the title being seen as failure.
Leicester City  won the Championship in 13/14 then the Prem league in 2015/16 
Record since winning Prem: 12th and Quarter Finals Champions League, 
9th,
9th,
5th and League Cup Semis,
5th and FA Cup Win, 
8th and Semi Finals of Euro conference League
Relegated from Prem.
This season: 1st and are going to win the Championship 23/24
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Re: Champions League Contention
« Reply #642 on: February 09, 2024, 04:36:04 PM »
Beat Man U, then we can go into easier fixtures against Fulham, Forest and Luton full of confidence. With Spurs after that at home, a win you'd think would almost guarantee us top 4 or 5.

Lose, or even worse, take a battering, and I think we'll go into free fall. We've seen it all too often, and we still have several players left who have "been there, bought the T-shirt".

Do Emery teams ever go into free-fall?

Arsenal fired him for not winning in 7 games. 5 draws and 2 defeats. That kind of success would have got you a job at Villa in 2012-2016.

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Re: Champions League Contention
« Reply #643 on: February 09, 2024, 04:36:34 PM »
Beat Man U, then we can go into easier fixtures against Fulham, Forest and Luton full of confidence. With Spurs after that at home, a win you'd think would almost guarantee us top 4 or 5.

Lose, or even worse, take a battering, and I think we'll go into free fall. We've seen it all too often, and we still have several players left who have "been there, bought the T-shirt".

Do Emery teams ever go into free-fall?

Arsenal fired him for not winning in 7 games. 5 draws and 2 defeats. That kind of success would have got you a job at Villa in 2012-2016.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/68254701
Cesc Fabregas explains why Unai Emery has been a success at Aston Villa, with the club challenging for a top-four finish in the Premier League.

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Re: Champions League Contention
« Reply #644 on: February 09, 2024, 04:38:14 PM »
Beat Man U, then we can go into easier fixtures against Fulham, Forest and Luton full of confidence. With Spurs after that at home, a win you'd think would almost guarantee us top 4 or 5.

Lose, or even worse, take a battering, and I think we'll go into free fall. We've seen it all too often, and we still have several players left who have "been there, bought the T-shirt".

Do Emery teams ever go into free-fall?

I don't know. Quite a few of the players he's managing have though.

 


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