Tottenham Hotspur vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[taylorsworkrate]

I think the problem with Angeball is that it worked for the 11-13 players he had as his first choice team. Couple of injuries and suspensions come along and it seems like he hasn't bothered to figure out how best to use his full squad of 20whatever.

That's one of the benefits of European football, especially at Conference League level. Between all our non prem games this season pretty much the entire squad has had a run out. We've tried multiple combinations in defence, we've played people into form, and we've got a very clear idea of priorities for January. 

Also, I think we benefited in a way from having 4 injuries to key players before the season even started. We had to dig down into the squad from the start and managed to get results and momentum. Whereas Spurs, no Europe, no need to rotate players, were being heavily reliant on certain key players, and when they're the ones missing, there's no back up.

The Beeb mentioned a stat that we have had the most consistent team for the first 13 games with I think 8 ever-present starters. They didn't state who was second but I suspect some team in the bottom half. Part of this is because we have lost the four first choice's you mentioned but also means we might have struggled if we lost a couple more. Hopefully with Ramsey and Moreno back it does mitigate the dangers.

Moreno is a must start for me, particularly away from home if we continue with the high line. Digne has been good this season but Moreno is much quicker and that is crucial to the way that we want to play

[VillaTim]

I think the problem with Angeball is that it worked for the 11-13 players he had as his first choice team. Couple of injuries and suspensions come along and it seems like he hasn't bothered to figure out how best to use his full squad of 20whatever.

That's one of the benefits of European football, especially at Conference League level. Between all our non prem games this season pretty much the entire squad has had a run out. We've tried multiple combinations in defence, we've played people into form, and we've got a very clear idea of priorities for January. 

Also, I think we benefited in a way from having 4 injuries to key players before the season even started. We had to dig down into the squad from the start and managed to get results and momentum. Whereas Spurs, no Europe, no need to rotate players, were being heavily reliant on certain key players, and when they're the ones missing, there's no back up.

The Beeb mentioned a stat that we have had the most consistent team for the first 13 games with I think 8 ever-present starters. They didn't state who was second but I suspect some team in the bottom half. Part of this is because we have lost the four first choice's you mentioned but also means we might have struggled if we lost a couple more. Hopefully with Ramsey and Moreno back it does mitigate the dangers.

Moreno is a must start for me, particularly away from home if we continue with the high line. Digne has been good this season but Moreno is much quicker and that is crucial to the way that we want to play

harsh on Digne that , he's been superb for weeks now

[taylorsworkrate]

I think the problem with Angeball is that it worked for the 11-13 players he had as his first choice team. Couple of injuries and suspensions come along and it seems like he hasn't bothered to figure out how best to use his full squad of 20whatever.

That's one of the benefits of European football, especially at Conference League level. Between all our non prem games this season pretty much the entire squad has had a run out. We've tried multiple combinations in defence, we've played people into form, and we've got a very clear idea of priorities for January. 

Also, I think we benefited in a way from having 4 injuries to key players before the season even started. We had to dig down into the squad from the start and managed to get results and momentum. Whereas Spurs, no Europe, no need to rotate players, were being heavily reliant on certain key players, and when they're the ones missing, there's no back up.

The Beeb mentioned a stat that we have had the most consistent team for the first 13 games with I think 8 ever-present starters. They didn't state who was second but I suspect some team in the bottom half. Part of this is because we have lost the four first choice's you mentioned but also means we might have struggled if we lost a couple more. Hopefully with Ramsey and Moreno back it does mitigate the dangers.

Moreno is a must start for me, particularly away from home if we continue with the high line. Digne has been good this season but Moreno is much quicker and that is crucial to the way that we want to play

harsh on Digne that , he's been superb for weeks now

I agree that Digne has done very well. However, (and its only my opinion and ultimately its Emery's that counts) I feel that with the high line we play, Moreno's recovery pace is better suited to it than Digne, particularly away from home as I stated. It's a nice headache to have 2 high quality LB's that offer different things.

[Risso]

The bigger problem for me is Cash at wide right and Konsa at right back. It just hasn't worked in any game I can recall, ie Liverpool, Wolves, Forest or now Spurs away. It takes away Cash's pace at right back, and we don't benefit from having him further forward because he's not very good there. Also Diego Carlos isnt as good next to Torres as Konsa is. Hopefully if Ramsey is properly fit soon Emery can consign this idea to the bin where it belongs.

[Dave]

The bigger problem for me is Cash at wide right and Konsa at right back. It just hasn't worked in any game I can recall, ie Liverpool, Wolves, Forest or now Spurs away.

Burnley away?

[Risso]

The bigger problem for me is Cash at wide right and Konsa at right back. It just hasn't worked in any game I can recall, ie Liverpool, Wolves, Forest or now Spurs away.

Burnley away?

Yes of course, sorry, in my head I'd typed "other than Burnley away."

[Brend'Watkins]

A Spurs supporting mate (a decent one) is putting their defeat mainly down to news of El Tel's demise earlier in the day. "It clearly affected them" was what he said. I didn't have the heart to say to him "that's complete and utter bollocks".  I very much doubt any of their non English players gave it a thought. More than likely the English players too wouldn't have been overly bothered.

[JUAN PABLO]

I watched the game really late not knowing the score , getting wound up by the commentator going on about their injuries  , no mention of Mings , Emi, JJ and Moreno who we havent had since day 1 .

And at one point he mentioned their injuries which went something like this ,   Spurs who are missing Maddison , Van DE Vay , Sessegnon , Saar , Solomon ,  Richarlison , Ashley Phillips , Hoddle , Gazza , Bale , Anderton , Stephen Carr , Derek the programme seller ,  Rochelle who sells the burgers , Malcolm who normally brings me in the taxi , My auntie Maureen etc etc  .....

I thought shut the fuck up ..


Anyway great win ,   not the best performance but a win is  awin and thats a bloody good one   UTV

[VillaTim]

A Spurs supporting mate (a decent one) is putting their defeat mainly down to news of El Tel's demise earlier in the day. "It clearly affected them" was what he said. I didn't have the heart to say to him "that's complete and utter bollocks".  I very much doubt any of their non English players gave it a thought. More than likely the English players too wouldn't have been overly bothered.

sounds like they are clutching at straws. Next they'll be blaming the weather

[paul_e]

I watched the game really late not knowing the score , getting wound up by the commentator going on about their injuries  , no mention of Mings , Emi, JJ and Moreno who we havent had since day 1 .

And at one point he mentioned their injuries which went something like this ,   Spurs who are missing Maddison , Van DE Vay , Sessegnon , Saar , Solomon ,  Richarlison , Ashley Phillips , Hoddle , Gazza , Bale , Anderton , Stephen Carr , Derek the programme seller ,  Rochelle who sells the burgers , Malcolm who normally brings me in the taxi , My auntie Maureen etc etc  .....

I thought shut the fuck up ..


Anyway great win ,   not the best performance but a win is  awin and thats a bloody good one   UTV

Yep, all the talk of their players missing does seem to skirt over the fact that 2 were suspended through their own indiscipline and of the injuries only 2 are players who'd be regular starters for them.

[Mister E]

The bigger problem for me is Cash at wide right and Konsa at right back. It just hasn't worked in any game I can recall, ie Liverpool, Wolves, Forest or now Spurs away. It takes away Cash's pace at right back, and we don't benefit from having him further forward because he's not very good there. Also Diego Carlos isnt as good next to Torres as Konsa is. Hopefully if Ramsey is properly fit soon Emery can consign this idea to the bin where it belongs.

Yes, totally agree. My son and I were raging all first half about the way Konsa was being exposed because Cash was on walkabout in midfield. For an ex-winger, he is seemingly unable to beat a man on the outside (perhaps why he moved to RB) and was a spare part yesterday. I don't really know why Emery changed the team from that which started last time - if it was to counter the inside runs from Udogie, why change the defensive structure when he could simply have deployed McGinn  to deal with it (and have Tielemans over on the left).

[JUAN PABLO]

I watched the game really late not knowing the score , getting wound up by the commentator going on about their injuries  , no mention of Mings , Emi, JJ and Moreno who we havent had since day 1 .

And at one point he mentioned their injuries which went something like this ,   Spurs who are missing Maddison , Van DE Vay , Sessegnon , Saar , Solomon ,  Richarlison , Ashley Phillips , Hoddle , Gazza , Bale , Anderton , Stephen Carr , Derek the programme seller ,  Rochelle who sells the burgers , Malcolm who normally brings me in the taxi , My auntie Maureen etc etc  .....

I thought shut the fuck up ..


Anyway great win ,   not the best performance but a win is  awin and thats a bloody good one   UTV

Yep, all the talk of their players missing does seem to skirt over the fact that 2 were suspended through their own indiscipline and of the injuries only 2 are players who'd be regular starters for them.

It was the Ashley Philips which made me laugh , I turned round to my lad and said who ?  Wtf ?
who the fuck is this world class superstar Ashley Philips . I was actually waiting for the loss of Harry Kane too.


The ref gave them everything too.

[paul_e]

The bigger problem for me is Cash at wide right and Konsa at right back. It just hasn't worked in any game I can recall, ie Liverpool, Wolves, Forest or now Spurs away. It takes away Cash's pace at right back, and we don't benefit from having him further forward because he's not very good there. Also Diego Carlos isnt as good next to Torres as Konsa is. Hopefully if Ramsey is properly fit soon Emery can consign this idea to the bin where it belongs.

Yes, totally agree. My son and I were raging all first half about the way Konsa was being exposed because Cash was on walkabout in midfield. For an ex-winger, he is seemingly unable to beat a man on the outside (perhaps why he moved to RB) and was a spare part yesterday. I don't really know why Emery changed the team from that which started last time - if it was to counter the inside runs from Udogie, why change the defensive structure when he could simply have deployed McGinn  to deal with it (and have Tielemans over on the left).

It was about Udogie but Cash just didn't know what to do. All that needed to happen was for Konsa to cut in tight and Cash to mark Gil but Cash kept following Udogie and getting caught doing nothing, leaving Gil with half the pitch to play in (but thankfully he's really shit so whilst it looked scary nothing much came from it. I suspect Cash was in there because he was worried that McGinn would do exactly what Cash did. Bailey worked because he just hugged that touchline and got back to press Gil, who disappeared so far into his pocket that they subbed him off to make room for Johnson in there.

On Cash he isn't particularly skilful running with the ball but he times his run as well as anyone, which is why he's so dangerous from fullback. Yesterday he was too high up the pitch so every pass was having to be into feet rather than in space in front of him, and that just forces him to come backwards and recycle possession.

[OCD]

Media guilty of a Strawman fallacy over Spurs' injuries.

[brontebilly]

The bigger problem for me is Cash at wide right and Konsa at right back. It just hasn't worked in any game I can recall, ie Liverpool, Wolves, Forest or now Spurs away. It takes away Cash's pace at right back, and we don't benefit from having him further forward because he's not very good there. Also Diego Carlos isnt as good next to Torres as Konsa is. Hopefully if Ramsey is properly fit soon Emery can consign this idea to the bin where it belongs.

It would be something if Carlos had a big lump of a centre forward to man mark. But up against Son it made no sense. Konsa is rubbish at RB too and we badly miss his pace in the middle when he ain't there. Couldn't believe it when I saw the starting line up. Gave Spurs far too much respect and should have paid for it really in that first half.

I can't recall how quick he was before his injury but Carlos is truly glacial these days on the turn. It's not ideal when three of our four fit centre backs can't run. He did well at Burnley but I don't think he's impressed otherwise this season. Ben Davies definitely shouldn't be beating him in the air either. Think CB is a position we will look to strengthen, if not in Jan then definitely in the summer.