2024 January transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

[Forge10]

You can’t argue with HITC. Their senior writer SUBHANKAR MONDAL was once mentioned in Louis Van Gaal’s biography 😂

[eamonn]

Luiz could easily have stropped and said he wanted to go to Arsenal on Gerrard's last deadline-day when they came in for him twice.
To sign a new deal, as well as a big wage-increase, his agent may have demanded other concessions.

Him being under-sold especially to someone like Yanited would be the shitty worst-case scenario. The heart of our team ripped-out for a relative pittance.

[Dave]

On the Philogene buy-back:

Tom Collomosse: Ajax are among the clubs monitoring the progress of Jaden Philogene, who has been impressive for Hull after leaving #avfc last summer.
Villa have buy-back option on Philogene at c.£15m - Hull would want more to sell him.

Q:If we have a buy back option at £15mil why would we have to pay more?

A: Not to Villa - elsewhere I mean. If Villa didn't take up their buy-back, then Hull can effectively name their price.

Possible he's misunderstood it, but the "same division" stuff would appear to be very odd if it were true.

[LeeB]

If there are other clubs willing to pay more then surely even if we didn't want him him back we'd just buy him at that price and then sell him on.

[Risso]

If there are other clubs willing to pay more then surely even if we didn't want him him back we'd just buy him at that price and then sell him on.

Well that's what it implies, but in reality Man City could have done that with Luiz, and didn't, so I'm not sure how likely it it to happen in a real life situation.

[OCD]

Or Hull could pay us off to void the clause.

[Dave]

If there are other clubs willing to pay more then surely even if we didn't want him him back we'd just buy him at that price and then sell him on.

Well that's what it implies, but in reality Man City could have done that with Luiz, and didn't, so I'm not sure how likely it it to happen in a real life situation.

A couple of "sort of comparables", Emerson Royal was bought jointly by Betis and Barcelona from Atlético Mineiro, but was a Betis player. Barcelona were paying for the right to pay £9m to Betis for him to join them. Which they did, then sold him to Spurs for £25m the same summer.

Benik Afobe - joined Wolves for £10m on June 1st 2018 at the end of a loan deal, then moved to Stoke for £12m on June 12th 2018.

So neither quite the same as what would happen in LeeB's example, but not a million miles away either. But it probably suggests it wouldn't be impossible.

[OCD]

There's a good chance that we'll buy Archer back and then sell him again, presumably for more than we buy him back for due to the original deal.

[LeeB]

The Afobe deal was the one I had in mind, and didn't Citeh do it with a left back, can't think of his name.

[Dave]

There's a good chance that we'll buy Archer back and then sell him again, presumably for more than we buy him back for due to the original deal.

That's quite a big presumption, no? I think we pay Sheffield Utd back a bit less than what they paid us (so making it a bit like they've paid a couple of million for a season long loan).

He's probably not hurt his reputation this season, but I'm not sure he's really shown enough to persuade another Premier League club to shell out 15-20m for him.

[Dave]

The Afobe deal was the one I had in mind, and didn't Citeh do it with a left back, can't think of his name.

Angeliño. There was a year in between him coming back and going again though. Assuming that's who you were thinking of.

[OCD]

There's a good chance that we'll buy Archer back and then sell him again, presumably for more than we buy him back for due to the original deal.

That's quite a big presumption, no? I think we pay Sheffield Utd back a bit less than what they paid us (so making it a bit like they've paid a couple of million for a season long loan).

He's probably not hurt his reputation this season, but I'm not sure he's really shown enough to persuade another Premier League club to shell out 15-20m for him.

I could see a Leeds or someone coming up and being interested.

I'd say it's a possibility, nothing more than that. Just as much chance that we sell Duran and re-integrate him back into the squad having gotten some experience.

[LeeB]

The Afobe deal was the one I had in mind, and didn't Citeh do it with a left back, can't think of his name.

Angeliño. There was a year in between him coming back and going again though. Assuming that's who you were thinking of.

That was the one.

[Somniloquism]

We can't buy a player and sell them on in the same windows. It is named the Unsworth Clause.

(Actually a Bridge transfer)

1.
No club or player shall be involved in a bridge transfer.
2.
It shall be presumed, unless established to the contrary, that if two consecutive transfers,
national or international, of the same player occur within a period of 16 weeks, the parties
(clubs and player) involved in those two transfers have participated in a bridge transfer.

[PeterWithe]

You'd guess that we'd take him back, immediately loan him to say Melchester Rovers, with an obligation to buy in the January window for £x.