2024 January transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

[Dogtanian]

Why on earth didn't we tie this into the Azaz deal? If Rogers really is Monchi and Emery's first choice this transfer window, then any sort of leverage at all would have been useful.

This frustrates me to no end.

With them wanting Azaz, we had some leverage.

I really would love to know who fucked the pooch on this one...

It was a lad at my school called Peter Carruthers, but he only wanked it off. That was the rumour anyway.

I wonder if most schools have this type of rumour? With our Tim though it was supposedly all the way.

I've changed the chap's name to protect the innocent, but I met that dog. He had the look of a dog that'd be up for it.

He's a dog then. 

[Clark W Griswold]

Why on earth didn't we tie this into the Azaz deal? If Rogers really is Monchi and Emery's first choice this transfer window, then any sort of leverage at all would have been useful.

This frustrates me to no end.

With them wanting Azaz, we had some leverage.

I really would love to know who fucked the pooch on this one...

It was a lad at my school called Peter Carruthers, but he only wanked it off. That was the rumour anyway.

Only? Oh, that’s ok then, nothing to see here ! 

:-)

[eamonn]

Typical dog, leading you on.

They always wag their tails at all the pretty girls and older women
They find their own way in, then rip up everything that I believe in

[caster troy]

The thought occured to me that if Rogers was one of our youth products, based on his championship performances we'd probably be trying to tell him for £5m with a buy back clause?

[Gareth]

The thought occured to me that if Rogers was one of our youth products, based on his championship performances we'd probably be trying to tell him for £5m with a buy back clause?

Not really, 20m for Chukwuemeka, 18m for Archer, 14m for Ramsey…Boro want similar money but they obv won’t get a buy back

[VillaTim]

The thought occured to me that if Rogers was one of our youth products, based on his championship performances we'd probably be trying to tell him for £5m with a buy back clause?

Not really, 20m for Chukwuemeka, 18m for Archer, 14m for Ramsey…Boro want similar money but they obv won’t get a buy back

JPB though £5m - looks like we sold him way too cheap

[lovejoy]

Gibson still has the hump after we sold the ground and created profit whilst in the championship hasn't he.

[caster troy]

The thought occured to me that if Rogers was one of our youth products, based on his championship performances we'd probably be trying to tell him for £5m with a buy back clause?

Not really, 20m for Chukwuemeka, 18m for Archer, 14m for Ramsey…Boro want similar money but they obv won’t get a buy back

Rogers has two goals for Boro in 26 league appearances, Archer had 11 goals in 20. Bidace scored four in 37 last year so is perhaps a better comparison and we sold him for £5m.

[Gareth]

The thought occured to me that if Rogers was one of our youth products, based on his championship performances we'd probably be trying to tell him for £5m with a buy back clause?

Not really, 20m for Chukwuemeka, 18m for Archer, 14m for Ramsey…Boro want similar money but they obv won’t get a buy back

JPB though £5m - looks like we sold him way too cheap

Absolutely, looks that way so far, however none of us know what the deal is as regards buy backs or sell on clauses…same with Azaz.  But we aren’t just giving young players away, we are future proofing if they step up…JPB looks the most likely to step up thus far

[LeeS]

The thought occured to me that if Rogers was one of our youth products, based on his championship performances we'd probably be trying to tell him for £5m with a buy back clause?

Not really, 20m for Chukwuemeka, 18m for Archer, 14m for Ramsey…Boro want similar money but they obv won’t get a buy back

Rogers has two goals for Boro in 26 league appearances, Archer had 11 goals in 20. Bidace scored four in 37 last year so is perhaps a better comparison and we sold him for £5m.

And Harry Kane scored twice in 15 games on loan at Norwich. You need something to make a comparison, I admit, but stats dont tell the full story. Having said that, I wont be sad if we miss out on this lad.

[pablo_picasso]

Typical dog, leading you on.

Barking mad!

[lovejoy]

Broja had a middling season at Southampton 2 years ago and hardly kicked a ball for Chelsea before or since that loan.  If anyone goes in for him it would be a massive gamble.

There was a case a few years ago where (I think) Barcelona and Juventus to get round their FFP issues swapped (I think) Arthur and Pjanic with no money changing hands,but were able to put the transfers through the books in such a way that both clubs made massive profits, which helped their FFP balances. Neither club really wanted either player.

Something similar would be the only reason I can imagine a Broja / Duran swap.

I'm guessing the rules are written up in such a way to prevent such shenanigans and that the example above means that clubs can't do it anymore, but just throwing it out there.

yes if you do a swap deal at a deemed fair value of £100m, you create profit immediately to help FFP but the cost on the incoming player is spread over the life of the contract. I'd imagine you'd get the question if the deemed fair value was excessive.

[pablo_picasso]

Someone mentioned to me recently that as Rogers is 21 years old, he counts as an U21 academy player & therefore doesn't influence FFP/PSR spending.

Same with the Serbian RB & any other player who is 21 & under by the FFP/PSR deadline.

Is this accurate?

Would explain why Chelsea turned themselves into the worlds largest battery farm academy & the likes of ManC are buying young South Americans & then loaning them back...

[OCD]

Someone mentioned to me recently that as Rogers is 21 years old, he counts as an U21 academy player & therefore doesn't influence FFP/PSR spending.

Same with the Serbian RB & any other player who is 21 & under by the FFP/PSR deadline.

Is this accurate?

Would explain why Chelsea turned themselves into the worlds largest battery farm academy & the likes of ManC are buying young South Americans & then loaning them back...

Similarly, I heard that the Serbian lad is young enough to count as someone who's come through the academy system. No idea whether it's true or not.

[tomd2103]

The thought occured to me that if Rogers was one of our youth products, based on his championship performances we'd probably be trying to tell him for £5m with a buy back clause?

Not really, 20m for Chukwuemeka, 18m for Archer, 14m for Ramsey…Boro want similar money but they obv won’t get a buy back

Rogers has two goals for Boro in 26 league appearances, Archer had 11 goals in 20. Bidace scored four in 37 last year so is perhaps a better comparison and we sold him for £5m.

And Harry Kane scored twice in 15 games on loan at Norwich. You need something to make a comparison, I admit, but stats dont tell the full story. Having said that, I wont be sad if we miss out on this lad.

Watching some of the videos of him, he doesn't seem to be an out-and-out striker and seems to be positioned more in the 'number 10' position or in a wider area.