2024 January transfer window - hopes, needs, expectations and rumours.

[eamonn]

He did nothing on loan at Stoke or Cardiff. It seems a couple of useful pre season showings have coloured everyone's imagination. A couple of early goals at Hull and now injured again. A bit like keinan Davis

6 goals and 5 assists in 14 games for Hull before getting injured. Their next best player has 7 goal involvements and has played 10 games more. He also made his England U21 debut in the autumn and scored twice on his debut.

He's a big reason why Hull are in play-off contention,  and is a far more exciting prospect than Keinan ever was.

[pablo_picasso]

Someone that believes a young, English forward wanted by a top-four Premier league team, is going to cost two million pounds.
Ok Dispy?

I never mentioned £2M for him.

I never mentioned any specific fee for Morgan other than the phrases "a few million" & "not wanting to go over £5M".

Maybe you should add reading to spelling, understanding & insult attempts to the list of things you need to work on for a little self improvement.

And I stand by my statement of not wanting to go over £5M for a 21.5 year old who is living off his potential rating from three years ago, who we could have got for £1M last year, has pulled up no trees in any of his loan spells, has just started to show a little consistency at Boro & whose fans rate him as lower quality than Finn Azaz...

While discussing the sales of the likes of Aaron Ramsey, Archer & Philogene-Bidace, I was advised by more than one individual that if they hadn't shown their worth to the first team by the age of 20, despite good numbers in the Championship, then they weren't worth continuing with.

Rogers is 21.5 & only just showing glimpses of his ability in the Championship.

If you think he is worth more, then maybe instead of attempting & failing to insult me because you disagree, it might be worth stating what you think he is worth & your reasons for that valuation.

You never know, you may educate me on the subject.

[Malandro]

Someone that believes a young, English forward wanted by a top-four Premier league team, is going to cost two million pounds.
Ok Dispy?

I never mentioned £2M for him.

I never mentioned any specific fee for Morgan other than the phrases "a few million" & "not wanting to go over £5M".

Maybe you should add reading to spelling, understanding & insult attempts to the list of things you need to work on for a little self improvement.

And I stand by my statement of not wanting to go over £5M for a 21.5 year old who is living off his potential rating from three years ago, who we could have got for £1M last year, has pulled up no trees in any of his loan spells, has just started to show a little consistency at Boro & whose fans rate him as lower quality than Finn Azaz...

While discussing the sales of the likes of Aaron Ramsey, Archer & Philogene-Bidace, I was advised by more than one individual that if they hadn't shown their worth to the first team by the age of 20, despite good numbers in the Championship, then they weren't worth continuing with.

Rogers is 21.5 & only just showing glimpses of his ability in the Championship.

If you think he is worth more, then maybe instead of attempting & failing to insult me because you disagree, it might be worth stating what you think he is worth & your reasons for that valuation.

You never know, you may educate me on the subject.

You said offer a couple of million.

[pablo_picasso]

Someone that believes a young, English forward wanted by a top-four Premier league team, is going to cost two million pounds.
Ok Dispy?

I never mentioned £2M for him.

I never mentioned any specific fee for Morgan other than the phrases "a few million" & "not wanting to go over £5M".

Maybe you should add reading to spelling, understanding & insult attempts to the list of things you need to work on for a little self improvement.

And I stand by my statement of not wanting to go over £5M for a 21.5 year old who is living off his potential rating from three years ago, who we could have got for £1M last year, has pulled up no trees in any of his loan spells, has just started to show a little consistency at Boro & whose fans rate him as lower quality than Finn Azaz...

While discussing the sales of the likes of Aaron Ramsey, Archer & Philogene-Bidace, I was advised by more than one individual that if they hadn't shown their worth to the first team by the age of 20, despite good numbers in the Championship, then they weren't worth continuing with.

Rogers is 21.5 & only just showing glimpses of his ability in the Championship.

If you think he is worth more, then maybe instead of attempting & failing to insult me because you disagree, it might be worth stating what you think he is worth & your reasons for that valuation.

You never know, you may educate me on the subject.

You said offer a couple of million.

No, I didn't.

I said "a few million, but not over five million".

I know this because I wrote it down. You even quoted it.

But lets not quibble over a little documented terminology.

I must admit, I was a little confused by your tone towards me over what is basically a difference of opinion in valuation.

I apologise for being a little rude back to you & offer a hand of friendship to ease the tension.

With regards the discussion, I have offered my view & given reasons for my opinion.

If you could offer your counter valuation & the reasons for that opinion then we can have a proper chat & move on. 👍

[brontebilly]

Eze maybe an option for next summer? His strength on the ball and first touch reminds me of Grealish at his best for us.

[Dante Lavelli]

Eze maybe an option for next summer? His strength on the ball and first touch reminds me of Grealish at his best for us.

He’s a top player.  However whilst we have a stable squad I’d hope we use the opportunity to sign Eze/Olise whilst they’re at QPR/Reading rather than paying the £60m (?) needed but with marginal improvement to the first team.  A different story if Ramsey/McGinn/Buendia are sold to fund it.

[Malandro]

Someone that believes a young, English forward wanted by a top-four Premier league team, is going to cost two million pounds.
Ok Dispy?

I never mentioned £2M for him.

I never mentioned any specific fee for Morgan other than the phrases "a few million" & "not wanting to go over £5M".

Maybe you should add reading to spelling, understanding & insult attempts to the list of things you need to work on for a little self improvement.

And I stand by my statement of not wanting to go over £5M for a 21.5 year old who is living off his potential rating from three years ago, who we could have got for £1M last year, has pulled up no trees in any of his loan spells, has just started to show a little consistency at Boro & whose fans rate him as lower quality than Finn Azaz...

While discussing the sales of the likes of Aaron Ramsey, Archer & Philogene-Bidace, I was advised by more than one individual that if they hadn't shown their worth to the first team by the age of 20, despite good numbers in the Championship, then they weren't worth continuing with.

Rogers is 21.5 & only just showing glimpses of his ability in the Championship.

If you think he is worth more, then maybe instead of attempting & failing to insult me because you disagree, it might be worth stating what you think he is worth & your reasons for that valuation.

You never know, you may educate me on the subject.

You said offer a couple of million.

No, I didn't.

I said "a few million, but not over five million".

I know this because I wrote it down. You even quoted it.

But lets not quibble over a little documented terminology.

I must admit, I was a little confused by your tone towards me over what is basically a difference of opinion in valuation.

I apologise for being a little rude back to you & offer a hand of friendship to ease the tension.

With regards the discussion, I have offered my view & given reasons for my opinion.

If you could offer your counter valuation & the reasons for that opinion then we can have a proper chat & move on. 👍

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Someone that believes a young, English forward wanted by a top-four Premier league team, is going to cost two million pounds.
Ok Dispy?

I never mentioned £2M for him.

I never mentioned any specific fee for Morgan other than the phrases "a few million" & "not wanting to go over £5M".

Maybe you should add reading to spelling, understanding & insult attempts to the list of things you need to work on for a little self improvement.

And I stand by my statement of not wanting to go over £5M for a 21.5 year old who is living off his potential rating from three years ago, who we could have got for £1M last year, has pulled up no trees in any of his loan spells, has just started to show a little consistency at Boro & whose fans rate him as lower quality than Finn Azaz...

While discussing the sales of the likes of Aaron Ramsey, Archer & Philogene-Bidace, I was advised by more than one individual that if they hadn't shown their worth to the first team by the age of 20, despite good numbers in the Championship, then they weren't worth continuing with.

Rogers is 21.5 & only just showing glimpses of his ability in the Championship.

If you think he is worth more, then maybe instead of attempting & failing to insult me because you disagree, it might be worth stating what you think he is worth & your reasons for that valuation.

You never know, you may educate me on the subject.

Calm down chap.The la la land reference was a joke. I was just suggesting your valuation of Rogers is wrong.

[pablo_picasso]

Calm down chap.The la la land reference was a joke. I was just suggesting your valuation of Rogers is wrong.

Apologies for misinterpreting. 👍

Out of interest, why do you think my valuation is wrong?

I think you mentioned the "English premium", but we let go a few English players with potential recently & they didn't seem to have that premium attached to them.

And while Azaz is Irish, I think he still counts as home grown, so the same should apply to him, in theory.

[Brazilian Villain]

And while Azaz is Irish, I think he still counts as home grown, so the same should apply to him, in theory.

Or Asda, as my Dad keeps calling him.

[Malandro]

Calm down chap.The la la land reference was a joke. I was just suggesting your valuation of Rogers is wrong.

Apologies for misinterpreting. 👍

Out of interest, why do you think my valuation is wrong?

I think you mentioned the "English premium", but we let go a few English players with potential recently & they didn't seem to have that premium attached to them.

And while Azaz is Irish, I think he still counts as home grown, so the same should apply to him, in theory.

A combination of reasons - January is not a great month to buy players, he’s on a long contract and as big premier league club - we obviously think he has huge potential so that adds a premium- look at his assist today.

Perhaps you are right and they need the money - but I suspect he will be at least eight million - probably more.

I hope we get him, but I think they may gamble that he gets even better in the next part of the season.

[VillaTim]

Looks like Rogers got an assist today in a 1-1 with Rotherham

[pablo_picasso]

Calm down chap.The la la land reference was a joke. I was just suggesting your valuation of Rogers is wrong.

Apologies for misinterpreting. 👍

Out of interest, why do you think my valuation is wrong?

I think you mentioned the "English premium", but we let go a few English players with potential recently & they didn't seem to have that premium attached to them.

And while Azaz is Irish, I think he still counts as home grown, so the same should apply to him, in theory.

A combination of reasons - January is not a great month to buy players, he’s on a long contract and as big premier league club - we obviously think he has huge potential so that adds a premium- look at his assist today.

Perhaps you are right and they need the money - but I suspect he will be at least eight million - probably more.

I hope we get him, but I think they may gamble that he gets even better in the next part of the season.

Those first three points are all fair & valid.

One thing I would add though, is that I think we adjusted our price for Azaz to suit their budget. And while we have wealthy owners, FFP / P&S rules means that we are quite tight in terms of budget, so if Boro want a sale, as is their new model of buying young & turning a profit, then they are going to have to work with us, as we did with them & Azaz.

Which makes why he wasn't part of the Azaz deal even more puzzling to me. Unless him being part of the deal stops the benefits we gain from selling an "academy" player? Im not sure about that though, but there has to be a reason.

Although to be honest, in my genuinely honest opinion, in terms of Rogers value, I just don't think he has done enough so far in his career to warrant anything over £5M. (I didn't see his assist today, I admit). I do like his height though. And he has a bit of pace & power about him. So there is something to work with for a good manager.

But I agree that he will probably go for about £8M - £10M.

Which I think would be a mistake for us to pay that amount & I would rather we walk away if it was for that amount.

But if we do, then I hope I am wrong & he turns into a world beater.

That goes without saying... 😉

[Malandro]

Looks like Rogers got an assist today in a 1-1 with Rotherham

It was brilliant too.

[Risso]

Yes, not doing a deal at the same time as Azaz looks very, very odd.

[pauliewalnuts]

One thing I would add though, is that I think we adjusted our price for Azaz to suit their budget. And while we have wealthy owners, FFP / P&S rules means that we are quite tight in terms of budget, so if Boro want a sale, as is their new model of buying young & turning a profit, then they are going to have to work with us, as we did with them & Azaz.

How did we work with Boro to suit their budget? I think it is far more likely that at the end of last season Azaz signed his contract extension with a clause he could leave for x amount of money and he's gone for that.

I don't really see how Boro have any obligation to work with us for their player, either, tbh. If we want him, we're going to pay what he's worth on the market, they are operating by selling players on, yes, but then again, so is almost every other club.

Back to Azaz, I think it's easy to forget, he is not really a home grown product for us even if he is for FFP purposes - he joined at the start of the 22-23 season, already aged 21, was loaned out for two seasons and then sold. I don't think he's spent much time around Bodymoor, so he's really not a youth product, he's a commodity (basically, horrible word though it is) that we've just made a couple of million quid for.