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Offline Sexual Ealing

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Re: Our defence
« Reply #255 on: November 10, 2024, 02:42:41 PM »
Lads, lads, lads, this is doing my head in. It's 'fewer goals'!

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Re: Our defence
« Reply #256 on: November 10, 2024, 02:47:32 PM »
Lads, lads, lads, this is doing my head in. It's 'fewer goals'!

Sorry. I’ve been corrected earlier, but I was purposely talking to brintebilly in a language he understands. Especially as that’s  clearly not football.

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Re: Our defence
« Reply #257 on: November 10, 2024, 03:02:02 PM »
I just watched 90 minutes of Konsa offering nothing going forwards and Carlos giving away another cheap goal from an individual error. A repeat of his set up for Palace and a reminder of how poor they were in the same roles at Ipswich. Not forgetting the 3 goal collapse post Cash removal from the pitch at Spurs. I accept that Rogers going off opened the midfield up, but I'm not wedded to a narrow analysis that clearly isn't passing any test, let alone the eye.

I dont really care what happened last season down at Arsenal or elsewhere, what I am seeing now is a side much more balanced with Cash, an actual full back, in the side and our best centre half at centre half. Fortunately Cash is back after the international break.

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Re: Our defence
« Reply #258 on: November 10, 2024, 03:03:46 PM »
I just watched 90 minutes of Konsa offering nothing going forwards and Carlos giving away another cheap goal from an individual error. A repeat of his set up for Palace and a reminder of how poor they were in the same roles at Ipswich. Not forgetting the 3 goal collapse post Cash removal from the pitch at Spurs. I accept that Rogers going off opened the midfield up, but I'm not wedded to a narrow analysis that clearly isn't passing any test, let alone the eye.

I dont really care what happened last season down at Arsenal or elsewhere, what I am seeing now is a side much more balanced with Cash, an actual full back, in the side and our best centre half at centre half. Fortunately Cash is back after the international break.

Agreed, I understand the focussing in on stats but it also leads to the previous conclusion Mings is a better option than Torres. Good player that he is, he is not.

Offline PeterWithesShin

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Re: Our defence
« Reply #259 on: November 10, 2024, 03:23:40 PM »
We've kept 1 clean sheet in the last 16 league games. And 9 in the last 54. Regardless of what combination we put out it isn't performing to a standard that leads to sustained success and hasn't for a long time. Now that the attack is out of form and isn't scoring 2 or 3 on a regular basis to bail out the defence we have what we currently have, A side struggling for wins.
« Last Edit: November 10, 2024, 03:29:16 PM by PeterWithesShin »

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Re: Our defence
« Reply #260 on: November 10, 2024, 03:32:27 PM »
I just watched 90 minutes of Konsa offering nothing going forwards and Carlos giving away another cheap goal from an individual error. A repeat of his set up for Palace and a reminder of how poor they were in the same roles at Ipswich. Not forgetting the 3 goal collapse post Cash removal from the pitch at Spurs. I accept that Rogers going off opened the midfield up, but I'm not wedded to a narrow analysis that clearly isn't passing any test, let alone the eye.

I dont really care what happened last season down at Arsenal or elsewhere, what I am seeing now is a side much more balanced with Cash, an actual full back, in the side and our best centre half at centre half. Fortunately Cash is back after the international break.

Don’t care about 18 months of evidence? Cool.

Not forgetting Spurs, Ipswich, Palace, (bizarre when Konsa didn’t play(, Liverpool.

But definitely forgetting Bayern, Young Boys, Bologna, Man Utd.

Not very scientific really is it?
« Last Edit: November 10, 2024, 03:34:48 PM by Percy McCarthy »

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Re: Our defence
« Reply #261 on: November 10, 2024, 03:34:26 PM »
We have a fundamental problem in that we can’t keep a clean sheet which should be a basic starting point. Where have all the defenders gone who took pride in keeping a clean sheet, nobody seems bothered anymore! We have the number one goalkeeper in the world and the rest of the defence is a shambles with mistakes galore! Whoever the defence coach is sack them and get somebody in who knows what they are doing!

We will also concede less goals if we retain possession better. You simply cannot do that with Konsa at RB.

It’s almost as if we don’t concede less goals with Konsa at RB.

We don't...4/17 PL goals conceded with Cash at RB, 8/17 with Konsa at RB it looks like (5 with Kosta/Bogarde).

That's just the narrow "stats" argument you persist with, nearly everybody else here sees how the Konsa/Carlos combo screws up the balance of the team in and out of possession.

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Re: Our defence
« Reply #262 on: November 10, 2024, 03:37:54 PM »
Don’t care about 18 months of evidence? Cool.

Not forgetting Spurs, Ipswich, Palace, (bizarre when Konsa didn’t play(, Liverpool.

But definitely forgetting Bayern, Young Boys, Bologna, Man Utd.

Not very scientific really is it?

It's definitely not scientific when Cash played v Man U ;)

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Re: Our defence
« Reply #263 on: November 10, 2024, 03:38:38 PM »
We have a fundamental problem in that we can’t keep a clean sheet which should be a basic starting point. Where have all the defenders gone who took pride in keeping a clean sheet, nobody seems bothered anymore! We have the number one goalkeeper in the world and the rest of the defence is a shambles with mistakes galore! Whoever the defence coach is sack them and get somebody in who knows what they are doing!

We will also concede less goals if we retain possession better. You simply cannot do that with Konsa at RB.

It’s almost as if we don’t concede less goals with Konsa at RB.

We don't...4/17 PL goals conceded with Cash at RB, 8/17 with Konsa at RB it looks like (5 with Kosta/Bogarde).

That's just the narrow "stats" argument you persist with, nearly everybody else here sees how the Konsa/Carlos combo screws up the balance of the team in and out of possession.

How ridiculous. He’s hardly played.

Mings goals against stats for last season are better.  Do you know why?

« Last Edit: November 10, 2024, 03:41:01 PM by Percy McCarthy »

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Re: Our defence
« Reply #264 on: November 10, 2024, 03:42:37 PM »
Don’t care about 18 months of evidence? Cool.

Not forgetting Spurs, Ipswich, Palace, (bizarre when Konsa didn’t play(, Liverpool.

But definitely forgetting Bayern, Young Boys, Bologna, Man Utd.

Not very scientific really is it?

It's definitely not scientific when Cash played v Man U ;)

Yes, I remember his through ball to Rashford.

Was that one of the games Ads mentioned then?
« Last Edit: November 10, 2024, 03:44:38 PM by Percy McCarthy »

Offline PeterWithesShin

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Re: Our defence
« Reply #265 on: November 10, 2024, 03:45:39 PM »
No idea as i'm replying to you and pointing out that it was Cash not Konsa v Man U. Could also add that Konsa went off after 12 mins.

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Re: Our defence
« Reply #266 on: November 10, 2024, 03:48:28 PM »
No idea as i'm replying to you and pointing out that it was Cash not Konsa v Man U. Could also add that Konsa went off after 12 mins.

I was replying to Ads and pointing out the games he’s not mentioning. One of which was Man Utd.

Ads is also critical of Carlos in his highly selective fixture list. A bloke who’s played in every single clean sheet we’ve kept this season.

Offline PeterWithesShin

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Re: Our defence
« Reply #267 on: November 10, 2024, 03:52:18 PM »
What Ads has said is irrelevant to who you said was at RB v Man U.

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Re: Our defence
« Reply #268 on: November 10, 2024, 03:58:23 PM »
What Ads has said is irrelevant to who you said was at RB v Man U.

Where did I say who was RB v Man Utd?

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Re: Our defence
« Reply #269 on: November 10, 2024, 03:59:35 PM »
We've kept 1 clean sheet in the last 16 league games. And 9 in the last 54. Regardless of what combination we put out it isn't performing to a standard that leads to sustained success and hasn't for a long time. Now that the attack is out of form and isn't scoring 2 or 3 on a regular basis to bail out the defence we have what we currently have, A side struggling for wins.

Completely agree on that. I do think the performance yesterday was indicative of something that might get the attack working again. Still need to address the defence though - although the general defending was better yesterday.

 


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