Should Pau Torres and Tyrone Mings both start?

[N'ZMAV]

if we're on for at least a 50 game season, then we will need both these players.

[Ads]

There's no way we've signed a player like Torres, whose so good at feeding balls through the lines, and signing a player like Diaby to compliment Ollie and JJ, who are both so good at exploding beyond into space, to not play him. We're also not going to sacrifice Mings organisational and physical ability either, or recovery pace given the defensive line we play.

While people are correct to identify the volume of games we'll play and that there will be some chopping and changing, Torres and Mings will be the starting pair come the end of the season.

Emery absolutely will not play 3 at the back, as it defeats the way we defend and exploit space. 442, but flexible to create box overloads high up the pitch or a flooded, tight back line. It's great to watch.

[Dave P]

I think a back 3 is quite likely as we really need both Torres and Mings in the team together. Perhaps this is with a RB/CB. We could do with Carlos being awesome but the jury is out.

R.I.P. in the deathwatch threads, Bamford linked and now this. Just waiting for the fourth horesman now.

Once somebody explains why Barry didn't take the penalty, this site will just disappear.

[Brend'Watkins]

The fact they are both left footers while not ideal is not that important as they are both accomplished players. Pau, with the ball but not that great in the air, Mings, great in the air but less good than Pau with his feet. It's an upgrade on Konsa and Mings.  All three will figure highly throughout the season I'm sure.

[Flin5tone]

I think there will be some.very unhappy defenders and midfielders at the club if we keep Olsen and crash out of Europe and the domestic cups early and players struggle for minutes on the pitch

[LeeB]

There's no way we've signed a player like Torres, whose so good at feeding balls through the lines, and signing a player like Diaby to compliment Ollie and JJ, who are both so good at exploding beyond into space, to not play him. We're also not going to sacrifice Mings organisational and physical ability either, or recovery pace given the defensive line we play.

While people are correct to identify the volume of games we'll play and that there will be some chopping and changing, Torres and Mings will be the starting pair come the end of the season.

Emery absolutely will not play 3 at the back, as it defeats the way we defend and exploit space. 442, but flexible to create box overloads high up the pitch or a flooded, tight back line. It's great to watch.

I make you right of course but I can see Konsa playing at right back as well in a lopsided 3 and a half at the back. I think this is his big plan with Torres, and why we're not going mad big money full back.

Fuck knows how it will work but it will.

[Risso]

Playing McGinn wide right and Ramsey left in a 4-4-2 shouldn't have worked, but it did. I don't think having two left footed centre backs is going to give Unai too many sleepless nights, it doesn't mean that they can only kick the ball in one direction.

[Drummond]

Playing McGinn wide right and Ramsey left in a 4-4-2 shouldn't have worked, but it did. I don't think having two left footed centre backs is going to give Unai too many sleepless nights, it doesn't mean that they can only kick the ball in one direction.

We could play Carlos on the left and Torres on the right!

[85kota]

Emery: "We are trying to practice on different tactical ways and one is to play with Konsa as well as a right-back and to build up with three at the back."

[LeeB]

Emery: "We are trying to practice on different tactical ways and one is to play with Konsa as well as a right-back and to build up with three at the back."

There's no way we've signed a player like Torres, whose so good at feeding balls through the lines, and signing a player like Diaby to compliment Ollie and JJ, who are both so good at exploding beyond into space, to not play him. We're also not going to sacrifice Mings organisational and physical ability either, or recovery pace given the defensive line we play.

While people are correct to identify the volume of games we'll play and that there will be some chopping and changing, Torres and Mings will be the starting pair come the end of the season.

Emery absolutely will not play 3 at the back, as it defeats the way we defend and exploit space. 442, but flexible to create box overloads high up the pitch or a flooded, tight back line. It's great to watch.

I make you right of course but I can see Konsa playing at right back as well in a lopsided 3 and a half at the back. I think this is his big plan with Torres, and why we're not going mad big money full back.

Fuck knows how it will work but it will.

See Footy, that's fucking 'insight'.

[Russ aka Big Nose]

Konsa at RB might work - in Emery we trust and all that.

Certainly he is not great at CB when defending a high ball over the top and much better when faced-up 1v1 with a player.

Though he can also be suspect to a ball on the ground played in behind him, and that will still happen if he is at RB.

Obviously his ability to progress with the ball is limited, though if the other three in the back four are Moreno, Torres, and Mings, the plan will be that it's not his job - as it is, at CB he (typically) only ever plays a short pass sidewards to Mings or backwards to Martinez.

Maybe it is an option against teams with a greater attacking threat as he offers more defensively than Cash. UTV

[Keeno]

I think there will be some.very unhappy defenders and midfielders at the club if we keep Olsen and crash out of Europe and the domestic cups early and players struggle for minutes on the pitch

Honestly, you're my favourite member of this website. Bring a smile to my face with every post

[dubaivillain]

I think there will be some.very unhappy defenders and midfielders at the club if we keep Olsen and crash out of Europe and the domestic cups early and players struggle for minutes on the pitch

Nothing like a good bit of preseason optimism then!

[simboy]

Emery: "We are trying to practice on different tactical ways and one is to play with Konsa as well as a right-back and to build up with three at the back."

There's no way we've signed a player like Torres, whose so good at feeding balls through the lines, and signing a player like Diaby to compliment Ollie and JJ, who are both so good at exploding beyond into space, to not play him. We're also not going to sacrifice Mings organisational and physical ability either, or recovery pace given the defensive line we play.

While people are correct to identify the volume of games we'll play and that there will be some chopping and changing, Torres and Mings will be the starting pair come the end of the season.

Emery absolutely will not play 3 at the back, as it defeats the way we defend and exploit space. 442, but flexible to create box overloads high up the pitch or a flooded, tight back line. It's great to watch.

I make you right of course but I can see Konsa playing at right back as well in a lopsided 3 and a half at the back. I think this is his big plan with Torres, and why we're not going mad big money full back.

Fuck knows how it will work but it will.

See Footy, that's fucking

There's no way we've signed a player like Torres, whose so good at feeding balls through the lines, and signing a player like Diaby to compliment Ollie and JJ, who are both so good at exploding beyond into space, to not play him. We're also not going to sacrifice Mings organisational and physical ability either, or recovery pace given the defensive line we play.

While people are correct to identify the volume of games we'll play and that there will be some chopping and changing, Torres and Mings will be the starting pair come the end of the season.

Emery absolutely will not play 3 at the back, as it defeats the way we defend and exploit space. 442, but flexible to create box overloads high up the pitch or a flooded, tight back line. It's great to watch.

I make you right of course but I can see Konsa playing at right back as well in a lopsided 3 and a half at the back. I think this is his big plan with Torres, and why we're not going mad big money full back.

Fuck knows how it will work but it will.

I agree, he doesn’t really favour an out and out 3 at the back, instead creating room for full backs (usually on the left) to push on with one of the two more defensive midfielders dropping in to form the four.

[Risso]

Lots to work on in central defence, because it didn't seem to gel that much in either half. The injury to Konsa is a worry, we could do without that. Didn't think much of Carlos at all first half to be honest, but then Mings looked out of sorts second half as well.