Ramón Rodríguez Verdejo (AKA Monchi)

[purpletrousers]

Haha yes my kids have free choice of religion etc, but if they want to eat they know who they support! It’s actually a lovely shared thing so far, and dilutes the more concerning money side.

Drummond this is the one on YouTube. Will have a look at that one when I have time/more signal.
https://youtu.be/uZUvjAJGFkM

[ASHTONVILLA]

Whilst I doubt Mochi was being deliberately racist, I can certainly see why people would find it offensive. Let’s hope he doesn’t do it again whilst at Villa.

I have only encountered ‘blackface’ twice, and both times felt very uncomfortable. The first was in China (Shandong province). China is far more racist than Europe, by our standards. In the agricultural areas I visit many people have never seen a white or black person before.

Curiously the second time was this weekend, where somebody turned up to my partners aunts 60th party (was 80s themed) as Michael Jackson complete with brown makeup. A lot of the family are black or mixed race, and I think they were less shocked than the white people. Someone must of had a word as he left inside half an hour. Doubt he was being deliberately racist, but it was clueless and offensive.

On the transfer front, can’t see us going as high as Ł80m for anyone, but I do like the look of the Sporting player.

[Drummond]

Haha yes my kids have free choice of religion etc, but if they want to eat they know who they support! It’s actually a lovely shared thing so far, and dilutes the more concerning money side.

Drummond this is the one on YouTube. Will have a look at that one when I have time/more signal.
https://youtu.be/uZUvjAJGFkM

It's a different one, so I'll check it later, thanks. I like his approach and delivery and the message really resonates.

The video I posted is very powerful, it makes you think, and if it does that, and it makes you question yourself and society as a whole, then we will all be better for it.

[rooboy316]

Written as a white, middle aged bloke obviously, so my views on racism aren't particularly worth reading

That you seem to have bought some sexist, ageist and racist thinking here is problematic. None of those things are a bar to reason.

It's wrong to claim blacking up (or whiting up) is necessarily racist.

Obviously it can be done with a racist motivation, but equally it can be done with no such motivation which is sometimes obvious to many but not all depending on familiarity with the context. Moreover some observers lack the understanding that it isn't racist to do something without any racist motivation (even something as wrong as murdering someone of another race) and others cynically choose to disregard a likely innocent motivation to claim the moral high ground or undermine traditions.

But then it gets complicated where someone thinks of doing something for innocent reasons, but realises it might be misconstrued. At this point they usually conclude that it isn't worth the hassle or that they don't wish to offend, but are they necessarily being racist if they go ahead with it? And if not, is it reasonable of an observer to assume they probably are racist? And is that good enough to condemn them? If the answer to the last two is yes, then some innocent customs end up going out of the window and any value they held is lost (personally I'm not seeing much value in any that involve blacking up, but others will have markedly different interests, traditions and perspectives).

Just because someone doesn’t realise or intend something to racist, doesn’t mean it’s not racist. It just means they are ignorant about why it is racist, and need to find out.

It’s the different between murder and homicide manslaughter - intent. But either way, someone is dead.

[Bad English]

Whilst I doubt Mochi was being deliberately racist, I can certainly see why people would find it offensive. Let’s hope he doesn’t do it again whilst at Villa.

I think he'll only be doing it in festivals in Spain to which he is invited as a member of the procession. And I doubt that happens every year.

[Risso]

It’s the different between murder and homicide - intent. But either way, someone is dead.

Murder is homicide by definition. Manslaughter is homicide with no intent.

[Ducksworthy]

Whilst I doubt Mochi was being deliberately racist, I can certainly see why people would find it offensive. Let’s hope he doesn’t do it again whilst at Villa.

I think he'll only be doing it in festivals in Spain to which he is invited as a member of the procession. And I doubt that happens every year.

This has really tickled me. The idea of just showing up as Balthazar to Wigan away in the League Cup for no reason.

[Hookeysmith]

Soooooo do we think this guy can be a catalyst for next level signings we are looking forward to?

[Risso]

Soooooo do we think this guy can be a catalyst for next level signings we are looking forward to?

Yes.

[Ducksworthy]

Soooooo do we think this guy can be a catalyst for next level signings we are looking forward to?

Yes.

I’m still not 100% on the remit exactly with Lange being around. I think Lange has had, overall, a good few hits rather than misses (as good a ratio as you can have in sport) so I assume he’ll do more of the analysis side and Monchi’s role will be more geared towards shaking people down so we don’t pay ridiculous prices.

Can’t say which way it’ll go but it just feels exciting to have some forward momentum about the place. Kicking ass and taking names, as it were.

[Drummond]

Soooooo do we think this guy can be a catalyst for next level signings we are looking forward to?

Yes.

Agreed. I think he'll also develop a better scouting network too.

[pauliewalnuts]

Soooooo do we think this guy can be a catalyst for next level signings we are looking forward to?

Yes.

I’m still not 100% on the remit exactly with Lange being around. I think Lange has had, overall, a good few hits rather than misses (as good a ratio as you can have in sport) so I assume he’ll do more of the analysis side and Monchi’s role will be more geared towards shaking people down so we don’t pay ridiculous prices.

Can’t say which way it’ll go but it just feels exciting to have some forward momentum about the place. Kicking ass and taking names, as it were.

Lange is moving to a different role, at V Sports group level.

[Smithy]

About five or six years ago I was wandering around Wokingham town centre when a morris dancing display was about to start, so the missus and I decided to watch for a couple of minutes.  Every dancer was in blackface. I was surprised, but I didn't think it was deliberately racist, I just thought it was a bit... weird.  Surely people these days recognise that blackface is considered racist?

I looked it up later, and there are types of morris dancing that have always been done in blackface. No one is entirely sure why (plenty of theories).  I believe it's changed since the BLM movement a couple of years ago.

[rooboy316]

It’s the different between murder and homicide - intent. But either way, someone is dead.

Murder is homicide by definition. Manslaughter is homicide with no intent.

Ah yes, sorry, I meant manslaughter not homicide.

[OCD]

Lange will be establishing academies in the clubs that are part of V Sports.