Mateu Alemany (with added Alberto Benito and Pablo Rodriguez)

[curiousorange]

But at massive clubs "the transition" usually just means firing an expensive manager and his army of coaches that take up 15 seats on the bench and replacing them with another expensive manager and his entourage. Big egos, their own way of managing, expecting a lot of freedom from the club hierarchy.

Well-run clubs at a non-elite level but with an upward trajectory like Brighton and Brentford can do this because the managers they appoint are usually coming from lower clubs/other countries and are happy to buy-in to the existing philosophy. 

If we're successful under Emery, chances are that we will go for a name appointment which suggests someone from the first ("big club") volatile category than the latter.

This is what we need to get our heads around as Villa fans: the more successful we become or are perceived to have become, the less we'll be looking at "up and coming". That goes for coaches as well as players. Although they weren't successful choices in the end, Tottenham were able to bring in winners like Mourinho and Conte. And they're only Tottenham, not actually a big club.

[OCD]

Hopefully we'll be less of a basket case kind of football club than Tottenham.

[curiousorange]

Hopefully we'll be less of a basket case kind of football club than Tottenham.

I think part of the reason they became a basket case was because they've never gotten over Pochettino, just as United haven't truly gotten over Ferguson etc. And us, actually, taking our sweet time washing O'Neill out of our hair. I think the only failsafe to getting over a successful manager is to keep spending, and even then, it rarely goes smoothly.

[OCD]

Arsenal's demise can be pinpointed back to when David Dein left. Similar with Man United. It's not always just about successful managers. If you can keep some continuity in the running of a club while transitioning managers, that can be a big help. When more than one important figures leave at the same time, it's a recipe for disaster.

[pauliewalnuts]

Not sure how Spurs are a basket case?

Multiple top four finishes and a Champions League final in the last five years, superb brand new stadium, managed to hold on to England's all time highest goal scorer.

They're (fortunately, as I dislike them intensely) having a bad season, but if the above is the territory of basket case clubs, what does that make us by comparison?

[Monty]

Yeah they're not a basket case. What they do is somehow fail to ever convert consistent good times into actual trophies, often hilariously.

[curiousorange]

I suppose if you look at the last month or so you might call them that, but no, Spuds aren't a true basket case.

[Scott Nielsen]

Looks like it's done.

[enigma]

Not sure how Spurs are a basket case?

Multiple top four finishes and a Champions League final in the last five years, superb brand new stadium, managed to hold on to England's all time highest goal scorer.

They're (fortunately, as I dislike them intensely) having a bad season, but if the above is the territory of basket case clubs, what does that make us by comparison?

They weren't a basket case five years ago. They are this season. What happened in previous years is irrelevant to be honest. We were a basket case a few years ago. Now we're not.

[pauliewalnuts]

Not sure how Spurs are a basket case?

Multiple top four finishes and a Champions League final in the last five years, superb brand new stadium, managed to hold on to England's all time highest goal scorer.

They're (fortunately, as I dislike them intensely) having a bad season, but if the above is the territory of basket case clubs, what does that make us by comparison?

They weren't a basket case five years ago. They are this season. What happened in previous years is irrelevant to be honest. We were a basket case a few years ago. Now we're not.

The term 'basket case' suggests a lasting dysfunction, though so what happened in previous years absolutely is relevant, surely?

We were a basket case a few seasons ago because we went several years of terrible managers delivering terrible results through terrible football. It wasn't just about one season.

They're a mess this season, yes, but, at least to me, basket case suggests the likes of us in the years up to our relegation, Newcastle during the Mike Ashley years, Small Heath for the last several decades.

Spurs are (amusingly) having a poor season, but it's a poor season by their own standards, there's a lot they've got right in the last few years.

EDIT - also, despite having such abysmal season, they're only just out of the mix for a Champions League place and have somehow managed to be 4th or thereabouts for months.

[enigma]

Not sure how Spurs are a basket case?

Multiple top four finishes and a Champions League final in the last five years, superb brand new stadium, managed to hold on to England's all time highest goal scorer.

They're (fortunately, as I dislike them intensely) having a bad season, but if the above is the territory of basket case clubs, what does that make us by comparison?

They weren't a basket case five years ago. They are this season. What happened in previous years is irrelevant to be honest. We were a basket case a few years ago. Now we're not.

The term 'basket case' suggests a lasting dysfunction, though so what happened in previous years absolutely is relevant, surely?

We were a basket case a few seasons ago because we went several years of terrible managers delivering terrible results through terrible football. It wasn't just about one season.

They're a mess this season, yes, but, at least to me, basket case suggests the likes of us in the years up to our relegation, Newcastle during the Mike Ashley years, Small Heath for the last several decades.

Spurs are (amusingly) having a poor season, but it's a poor season by their own standards, there's a lot they've got right in the last few years.

EDIT - also, despite having such abysmal season, they're only just out of the mix for a Champions League place and have somehow managed to be 4th or thereabouts for months.

Obviously it's all relative as it could always be worse. Look at Chelsea for instance but getting through managers at the rate they have and in the manner they have puts them squarely in basket case territory for me. Many of their own fans would agree. How long it lasts before they sort themselves out is the question.

[Toronto Villa]

I’m looking forward to us being a basket case like Spurs.

[enigma]

I’m looking forward to us being a basket case like Spurs.

There's a fair chance we'll finish above them this season.

[Dante Lavelli]

The trajectory of spurs is leaning towards a basket case, they just have a lot of credit in the bank from being well run for a decent period which is masking the problem (and a loyal Harry Kane).

The stadium will provide huge dividends eventually but like Wembley and the Arsenal I can see a period where it will cripple them in the short term.  Add in Covid, what’s happened with interest rates generally (I’d guess the fixed loan terms will expire soon) and the need for another new manager and it is a bit of a perfect storm.

[N'ZMAV]

I’m looking forward to us being a basket case like Spurs.

it beats seasons in the Championship under Bruce and Di Matteo.