Aston Villa Group End of Year Accounts - year end May 31st 2022

[boozey182]

I think it was on another thread about one or two players making a huge difference to this team - I think that is bang on. I think the first place, and maybe most important, that we might see a major improvement is Carlos coming in. I don't mind Konsa, but he isn't good enough at playing the ball forwards. And any team that has done even the slightest bit of research on us will know that, so we become easier to play against - and that is a major aspect of our game. As far as I'm aware, Carlos is much more capable at playing the 20-30 yard balls where the space opens up as we get pressed, which could mean we advance up the pitch so much quicker than we are currently doing, and take a lot of pressure off Mings who has always had to do the bulk of the work at playing out from the back.

It's funny discussing the players that aren't good enough for us in the long term, because my opinion has changed slightly since Emery came in. Players like Mings, Watkins and McGinn, maybe Doug, were going to be squad players in my head - but those seem integral to how we play right now. We obviously need someone that can play with Ollie, in the Bailey slot, and more competition in midfield, but I don't think the gaps in our squad are as obvious as they were 6 months ago.

I'm allowing myself to get a bit excited with how things are going, in a way I didn't at this stage under Gerrard. I think Emery is getting a lot out of these players, while he's trying to build something that's new to them - this is nowhere near the finished article. The players can all learn more under this manager, and we can improve the personnel - there is so much more scope to improve, which I think is incredibly positive. This is the base level, and while I'm certain that there will be setbacks, the long-term trajectory is surely going to be positive this time....right?

At the moment, we're by and large beating the teams worse than us, and a few that are better than us. We've had one (league) game in 12 where that wasn't the case (and I think that's the best we've played all season). We're getting there. I fully understand people being cautious about it, but I skipped being optimistic under the last manager, so I'm going all in this time to make up for it.

[pauliewalnuts]

I agree re Newcastle - being in the top four after 19 games isn't really what matters, but you'd think they had arrived to listen to the hype.

They've spent a reasonable amount (although FFP must have left them lose of leeway after years of Ashley) but it is more good coaching than money that has improved them so much.

They've got some excellent players - Guimaraes, Botman, Trippier, Pope - but they have some utter dross like the Longstaffs knocking around, as well as some mediocrity like Wilson. They're miles off having a top four competing squad and will be for a while yet.

[N'ZMAV]

The gist of the podcast is that without our current owners we would be now where near the premier league - and we could be another Portsmouth

there's a few clubs like that I imagine

[Chap]

Didn’t someone say we’re fourth since we very belatedly got rid of the incompetent scouse fraud?

If you remember Percy there was a lot on here telling us that we had made a seismic jump since Dean left after Gerrard's first 6. All sorts of conclusions were drawn to prove that Smithy was useless and Steven is the new Brian Clough.
So no doubt me and you and the rational one's will wait another 12 games before raising our hopes.

You did, and you were right.

Except for one big difference.

This manager is not a flash in the pan that's stumbled across winning ways, he has history of consistent success from all his previous clubs, with the backing that he has been promised (otherwise why would he have come to us and tarnished his career to date), I do feel this is only the start of greater things to come.

I've been able to watch all the games, and apart from the cup exits (which soured things a little), I've seen a style and substance to our game plan that is either left in place from kick-off to the final whistle OR (most importantly) changed during the game to try to achieve a win - even in the matches where individual errors screwed us. I have not seen that for decades.

Of course, if it all goes tits up - I'll deny any knowledge of this post and claim my dog found my password and typed such drivel.

A bit like your cat being sick on your homework🤣🤣

[aj2k77]

In 2016 it says we had a director, whilst being the Championship, being paid £2.96 million a year. Who the fuck was that? That fat bloke who did the Grabban Alexa unveiling who sued Xia and the Villa? How on Earth can you justify £60k p/w as a director in the Championship? What a con merchant.

[Risso]

In 2016 it says we had a director, whilst being the Championship, being paid £2.96 million a year. Who the fuck was that? That fat bloke who did the Grabban Alexa unveiling who sued Xia and the Villa? How on Earth can you justify £60k p/w as a director in the Championship? What a con merchant.

I think a lot of it was probably termination payments either when Xia took over, or to Tom Fox when he left.

[paul_e]

In 2016 it says we had a director, whilst being the Championship, being paid £2.96 million a year. Who the fuck was that? That fat bloke who did the Grabban Alexa unveiling who sued Xia and the Villa? How on Earth can you justify £60k p/w as a director in the Championship? What a con merchant.

I think a lot of it was probably termination payments either when Xia took over, or to Tom Fox when he left.

Probably but Wyness did come across as the sort of sleezeball who'd give himself that sort of wage.

[Risso]

In 2016 it says we had a director, whilst being the Championship, being paid £2.96 million a year. Who the fuck was that? That fat bloke who did the Grabban Alexa unveiling who sued Xia and the Villa? How on Earth can you justify £60k p/w as a director in the Championship? What a con merchant.

I think a lot of it was probably termination payments either when Xia took over, or to Tom Fox when he left.

Probably but Wyness did come across as the sort of sleezeball who'd give himself that sort of wage.

It wasn't him, he was only ever a director of one of the subsidiary companies, and first appeared in the accounts the following year.

[paul_e]

In 2016 it says we had a director, whilst being the Championship, being paid £2.96 million a year. Who the fuck was that? That fat bloke who did the Grabban Alexa unveiling who sued Xia and the Villa? How on Earth can you justify £60k p/w as a director in the Championship? What a con merchant.

I think a lot of it was probably termination payments either when Xia took over, or to Tom Fox when he left.

Probably but Wyness did come across as the sort of sleezeball who'd give himself that sort of wage.

It wasn't him, he was only ever a director of one of the subsidiary companies, and first appeared in the accounts the following year.

No, but that's clearly who he was thinking about in the bold bit, I was saying I could understand why they thought that.

[Stu82]

I am a glass half full person by nature, and have looked at the accounts ( not an accountant though)and seen several promising signs, compared with the past few years.
Also think our turnover will be increasing substantially year ending May 23.

Turnover is down but largely due to poor finishing spot in prem money league.
Hopefully this years broadcasting will exceed 21 figure of 157m.
Commercial income grew by 50% to 40m. This will be a focus of the owners to grow this side of business.
Match day income will also grow due to price rises. Probably 20m with more to come when new Witton end and enhanced services and leisure opportunities in future years.

Wages as % of income down to 77%, will probably reduce further this year. Down from the nightmare 175% of 2019.

The Grealish money is quoted as the reason for profit, but we did spend heavily as a consequence, bringing in 3 new players with mixed results.

People are saying we are only surviving because of the owners putting in the money regularly.
I would say they picked up a bargain off shit shoes Tony, and are happy to continue to support to get us to where we all want to be.

[Percy McCarthy]

I am a glass half full person by nature, and have looked at the accounts ( not an accountant though)and seen several promising signs, compared with the past few years.
Also think our turnover will be increasing substantially year ending May 23.

Turnover is down but largely due to poor finishing spot in prem money league.
Hopefully this years broadcasting will exceed 21 figure of 157m.
Commercial income grew by 50% to 40m. This will be a focus of the owners to grow this side of business.
Match day income will also grow due to price rises. Probably 20m with more to come when new Witton end and enhanced services and leisure opportunities in future years.

Wages as % of income down to 77%, will probably reduce further this year. Down from the nightmare 175% of 2019.

The Grealish money is quoted as the reason for profit, but we did spend heavily as a consequence, bringing in 3 new players with mixed results.

People are saying we are only surviving because of the owners putting in the money regularly.
I would say they picked up a bargain off shit shoes Tony, and are happy to continue to support to get us to where we all want to be.

That’s the kind of summary I like. I’m an optimist too.

Does anyone know if we’ll be able to offload big earners with little to no resale value to Las Vegas Villans (if and when it’s established)? Could it be a useful FFP blag?

[Toronto Villa]

The manager talks about mentality. What he means is the ability have the toughness to withstand and overcome disappointments while having the fortitude to press how advantages. Being smart and even cynical when needed. We have Emi’s shithousery which addresses some of it but look across the rest of the side. We are lacking players who are capable of being what the manager wants in key outfield positions. That will change this summer.

[Percy McCarthy]

The manager talks about mentality. What he means is the ability have the toughness to withstand and overcome disappointments while having the fortitude to press how advantages. Being smart and even cynical when needed. We have Emi’s shithousery which addresses some of it but look across the rest of the side. We are lacking players who are capable of being what the manager wants in key outfield positions. That will change this summer.

Had to check to see if you or I was on the wrong thread. I think it’s you TV.

[eamonn]

The Grealish money is quoted as the reason for profit, but we did spend heavily as a consequence, bringing in 3 new players with mixed results.

I think the 'headline take-away' that the Grealish sale made us the profit, is because all the "replacements" costing close to what we sold him for are recorded as assets on the Balance Sheet while Grealish is pure revenue.

Like for like, with their fees allocated over length of contract, you could say:

£100m for Grealish
Less: 1/4 of £35m Buendia (£8.75m)
Less: 1/4 of £30m Bailey (£7.5m)
Less: 1/3 of £20m Danny Ings (£6.6m)

= £77.75m

But their combined wages versus Grealish would also be higher taking a bit off the net revenue he gave us.

[Stu82]

The Grealish money is quoted as the reason for profit, but we did spend heavily as a consequence, bringing in 3 new players with mixed results.

I think the 'headline take-away' that the Grealish sale made us the profit, is because all the "replacements" costing close to what we sold him for are recorded as assets on the Balance Sheet while Grealish is pure revenue.

Like for like, with their fees allocated over length of contract, you could say:

£100m for Grealish
Less: 1/4 of £35m Buendia (£8.75m)
Less: 1/4 of £30m Bailey (£7.5m)
Less: 1/3 of £20m Danny Ings (£6.6m)

= £77.75m

But their combined wages versus Grealish would also be higher taking a bit off the net revenue he gave us.

Good point,  didn’t acoount for amortisation. The  wages for 2022 were slightly lower overall than 2021 which is positive.