Aston Villa Group End of Year Accounts - year end May 31st 2022

[Clampy]

Give me meeting our European Cup winners any day rather than shaking hands with millionaire footballers playing for a club currently under investigation and bollocks to blue smoke.

[Risso]

Give me meeting our European Cup winners any day rather than shaking hands with millionaire footballers playing for a club currently under investigation and bollocks to blue smoke.

You're obviously speaking as a Villa fan, and I assume a middle aged one at that. The (mostly younger) City fans there absolutely loved it.

[dave.woodhall]

I always find myself looking at this thread each year and thinking how small football clubs are as businesses compared to their size in the public’s consciousness. It weirds me out a bit to be honest.

It wasn't many years ago that Villa's turnover was lower than Asda at One Stop.

[olaftab]

I always find myself looking at this thread each year and thinking how small football clubs are as businesses compared to their size in the public’s consciousness. It weirds me out a bit to be honest.

Yup. It’s mind boggling that a business earning around £400M (Chelsea) a year can be solid for circa £3 billion. That’s lot of money for mostly perishable  (players) assets.

[Risso]

I always find myself looking at this thread each year and thinking how small football clubs are as businesses compared to their size in the public’s consciousness. It weirds me out a bit to be honest.

Yup. It’s mind boggling that a business earning around £400M (Chelsea) a year can be solid for circa £3 billion. That’s lot of money for mostly perishable  (players) assets.

They're mainly bought as capital assets though, with an eye on the upside if things like the European Super League comes to pass.

[ChicagoLion]

I saw some figures today that showed our turnover lower than that of the likes of Everton, Leicester, West Ham and .... fucking Wolves (last year's figures obvs).

Spurs more than 2.5x ours,

We've underperformed in this sense for years now, it needs to change. Commercial revenue is a big part of that.

In fact, here's the chart.



Also interesting to see that we're not turning over hugely more than the likes of Southampton and Brighton.

That's another part of being a 'big club' where we need to get our act together ASAP.

No way on earth Man Cities commerical revenue is bigger than Liverpool or Man City in real terms.

It’s probably the same ‘creative’ accountancy that they’ve demonstrated since their current owners came in.

It’s not creative accountancy it’s signing up marketing deals with related parties, nothing creative about it at all.

What would you class Mancini’s salary payment allocation as?

Again not creative accounting.
There are few ways of describing the Mancini payments, being kind -sheltering (often used by offshore tax advisors), or tax avoidance to very unkind and maybe accurate -deception.

[eamonn]

Alan Wright and Michael Oakes are booked for a Q&A after one of the Villa Park tours in April!

[aj2k77]

More money than sense if your paying nearly 2k to shake Kyle Walkers hand and watch a few thousand passes and the 49th win in 50 home games. Sounds boring as fuck. I'd rather pay £40, sit behind moaning Pete who really has it in for Bailey, get no beer because the kiosk kids don't know what to do, get angry as the defense piss around at the back and concede a comedy goal, lose for the 3rd match in a row and go back to the pub and debate who needs dropping and how much better Coutinho has got since he's not been playing.

[pauliewalnuts]

Alan Wright and Michael Oakes are booked for a Q&A after one of the Villa Park tours in April!

"Alan, can I ask you, why are you so weird, is it because you're bald or small, or both?"

[pauliewalnuts]

Give me meeting our European Cup winners any day rather than shaking hands with millionaire footballers playing for a club currently under investigation and bollocks to blue smoke.

You're obviously speaking as a Villa fan, and I assume a middle aged one at that. The (mostly younger) City fans there absolutely loved it.

We need to stop dining out on the European Cup win, too.

It was 40 years ago. Four entire decades.

[pauliewalnuts]

Have a look at BHX on a weekend where Liverpool or Manchester United are at home and you'll see loads of Irish supporters who fly here because it's cheaper to come here then hire a car than it is to fly there direct. You don't get that for Manchester City.

In my last job, I worked on sports related projects with mobile networks and other large companies, all over Africa.

On the (endless, and always with at least 10 people from their side, which I think must be a cultural thing) calls we'd have with them, we'd pretty much always have chit-chat about football.

What was noticeable was that almost every single one of them had a Premier League team they supported.

I'd say 50% of them supported Liverpool, 30% Man United, 10% Arsenal and then a mish mash of other teams for the rest.

I never came across any of them supporting Man City, not a single one. Man City are a rich club for the rest of the world, not a big one.

There's a reason Liverpool are so keen on ending the collective sale and sharing of overseas revenue.

[Mister E]

Last year, when I had a little spare time, I downloaded all our accounts from 1998 to 2021 because I was interested to see what we turned over on Matchdays and for Commercial, and to see the trends. To be honest, I was shocked at the desperately poor growth. Our total revenue is way behind some of the other Premier League clubs - including some that we regard as 'smaller' than us.
When you look at the detail, our matchday revenue averages £15,300,000 over the 17 years since 2005, with a high of £24,700,000 (in 2010). Spurrrrs apparently earn £800k per game just on their catering activities.
Our commercial revenue since 2005 has averaged £11,400,000 (peaking at 16,200,000 in 2015).

Why have we been so incredibly crap during a time of 'golden years'? - obviously, relegation did not help, and the changes in ownership haven't benefitted either. But the overarching message is pretty rubbish.

[pauliewalnuts]

Said this before, but largely flat commercial revenue in an era where we had almost constant membership of an industry which had a licence to print money is absolutely shocking.

Then you read things about people being unable to buy food and drinks, and think how we were having these exact same discussions on here 10 or 15 years ago, and have had three different ownerships in that time who all promised to fix it but have failed to do so, and you start to understand why it is that way.

[pauliewalnuts]

Some Villa fans would pay a fortune to be able to sit in our 'dug out' during a match.

Be more productive then naming two goalkeepers as substitutes.

Especially if one of them was Olsen.

[KevinGage]

Premium package: Villa fan gets to sit on the bench as an unused sub during the game - £1k

Marble package: Same. But Olsen has to play marbles on the M6 at the same time - £2k