Aston Villa 2 The Arse 4 Post Match ah well what could have been thread

[Taylor]

I thought that many players were the best players in the world, and they all played for villa.

[ROBBO]

Emery is doing okay, these are not his players and he is using this season to see who's capable and who needs to go. We lost momentum early second half, the midfield just could not hold on to the ball which put more pressure on the back line, we played that narrow that both Villa full backs were totally exposed. The biggest take from the game for me was that our ball retention was pathetic, it comes down to quality and we don't have enough.

[Risso]

He isn't the best keeper in the world, he was just in the team that won a cup competition. He's obviously very good indeed, but has been miles off his best for us in recent games. Leaving aside the goals today, his kicking was terrible, going straight out for a throw at least 5 times. Their first goal came after one such incident. 

[LeonW]

He isn't the best keeper in the world, he was just in the team that won a cup competition. He's obviously very good indeed, but has been miles off his best for us in recent games. Leaving aside the goals today, his kicking was terrible, going straight out for a throw at least 5 times. Their first goal came after one such incident.

He was ‘just in the team...’ . Ok.

[ChicagoLion]

Emery is doing okay, these are not his players and he is using this season to see who's capable and who needs to go. We lost momentum early second half, the midfield just could not hold on to the ball which put more pressure on the back line, we played that narrow that both Villa full backs were totally exposed. The biggest take from the game for me was that our ball retention was pathetic, it comes down to quality and we don't have enough.

I disagree the problem is our centre backs and goal keeper  can not pass the ball except to each other, this means that we are unable to transition from defence to attack and give the ball back to the opposition constantly.
Our midfield and attack are often  receiving the ball under pressure.
But I do agree our ball retention was pathetic.

[Risso]

He isn't the best keeper in the world, he was just in the team that won a cup competition. He's obviously very good indeed, but has been miles off his best for us in recent games. Leaving aside the goals today, his kicking was terrible, going straight out for a throw at least 5 times. Their first goal came after one such incident.

He was ‘just in the team...’ . Ok.

Winning the World Cup doesn't make every player in that team the best in their position in the world, mate. France were obviously runners up, but I would strongly suggest that Hugo Lloris is miles off being the second best keeper in the world.

[Lastfootstamper]

He isn't the best keeper in the world, he was just in the team that won a cup competition. He's obviously very good indeed, but has been miles off his best for us in recent games. Leaving aside the goals today, his kicking was terrible, going straight out for a throw at least 5 times. Their first goal came after one such incident.

He won them the World Cup. Not Messi, not anybody else. Him.

[Ads]

And for all that it boiled down to angles on the woodwork.

Do we get sympathy points for that then?

For me it's about context of the game. Despite us being better first half, them better the second, the whole event boiled down to two similar strikes on goal that fell at marginally different angles. Situations count, as Klopp might say.

[LeonW]

He isn't the best keeper in the world, he was just in the team that won a cup competition. He's obviously very good indeed, but has been miles off his best for us in recent games. Leaving aside the goals today, his kicking was terrible, going straight out for a throw at least 5 times. Their first goal came after one such incident.

He was ‘just in the team...’ . Ok.

Winning the World Cup doesn't make every player in that team the best in their position in the world, mate. France were obviously runners up, but I would strongly suggest that Hugo Lloris is miles off being the second best keeper in the world.

No it doesn't but it’s disingenuous to say Martinez was ‘just in a team that won the World Cup.’ It was hardly Djimi Traore levels of involvement. Just look at who Messi ran to first and foremost. Messi.

[Risso]

He isn't the best keeper in the world, he was just in the team that won a cup competition. He's obviously very good indeed, but has been miles off his best for us in recent games. Leaving aside the goals today, his kicking was terrible, going straight out for a throw at least 5 times. Their first goal came after one such incident.

He won them the World Cup. Not Messi, not anybody else. Him.

Whatever, winning the World Cup doesn't make you the best keeper in the world.

[Risso]

He isn't the best keeper in the world, he was just in the team that won a cup competition. He's obviously very good indeed, but has been miles off his best for us in recent games. Leaving aside the goals today, his kicking was terrible, going straight out for a throw at least 5 times. Their first goal came after one such incident.

He was ‘just in the team...’ . Ok.

Winning the World Cup doesn't make every player in that team the best in their position in the world, mate. France were obviously runners up, but I would strongly suggest that Hugo Lloris is miles off being the second best keeper in the world.

No it doesn't but it’s disingenuous to say Martinez was ‘just in a team that won the World Cup.’ It was hardly Djimi Traore levels of involvement. Just look at who Messi ran to first and foremost. Messi.

That's not what I was implying. He was probably their most important player, but that still doesn't make him the world's best keeper. It just makes him a world cup winner.

[Ian.]

He isn't the best keeper in the world, he was just in the team that won a cup competition. He's obviously very good indeed, but has been miles off his best for us in recent games. Leaving aside the goals today, his kicking was terrible, going straight out for a throw at least 5 times. Their first goal came after one such incident.

He won them the World Cup. Not Messi, not anybody else. Him.

I thought Messi was pretty good.

[walsall villain]

He isn't the best keeper in the world, he was just in the team that won a cup competition. He's obviously very good indeed, but has been miles off his best for us in recent games. Leaving aside the goals today, his kicking was terrible, going straight out for a throw at least 5 times. Their first goal came after one such incident. 

He was pivotal in Argentina winning the World Cup, he didn’t just rock up and get a medal.

[PaulWinch again]

Emi might not have been at his best at times of late, that’s fair. It’s when people extend that to him just being “decent” and not a big deal if he leaves. That’s the step too far - we are lucky to have a keeper of genuine quality and we should appreciate that and probably acknowledge that if he leaves we’ll really struggle to get a player anywhere near his class.

[Mister E]

The issue which seems most relevant to me is the team's set-up and approach o the first half vs Citeh and the 2nd half vs Arse. Both were passive and error-strewn (particularly around ball-retention). Having said that, Forest salvaged a point today with 26% possession, but my question is why we seem so lacking in dynamism when we have also shown that we can be very effective when we take the initiative.